El Cortez. End of an era (for me).

KewlJ

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My first time at El Cortez was summer of 2008. I was visiting Vegas for 4 weeks. Stayed cheap at a place called Ogden House Motel which was right out the back door of El Cortez and owned by El Cortez. It later was renovated into the Cabana Suites at El Cortez. I paid for the first week. It was August and it was HOT. The AC left something to be desired. But it was cheap. Seemed more like a boarding house with a lot of regular degen gambler types who I am guessing lived there or stayed frequently. Every day I played blackjack at El Cortez. Spreading $25 to $150 at the time. Played 45 minutes each session, sometimes twice a day morning and evening when I returned "home". Despite all the talk of sweaty Spaniard, never received an ounce of heat. My final 3 weeks stay ended up being comped.

A year later, end of 2009 is when I moved to Las Vegas. My spread was a little more by that time, $50-$400, but I toned it down at El Cortez, where I played regularly, to $250 or $300, The double deck game, pen 65-67% was a good game for someone like me that was raised on the Atlantic City 8 deckers. I liked playing there. Hit it several times a month, for a short session.

Throughout my time in Vegas I have played El Cortez regularly. Had one small period where I had some trouble with one pit guy. An Older Italian guy named Maurice. He went by "Mo". He backed me off one day. I stayed away for a couple months and he backed me off again. I returned the next day just to agitate him (not a good idea) and he nearly had a stroke yelling at me in his broken English. He followed me into the Men's room still yelling that I could not play there. I thought my time at El Cortez was finished at that point.

I stayed away for 6 months, then one day went back. Didn't see Maurice and played with no issues. A few more trips and no Maurice. I asked about him and he had retired. I am sure I had nothing to do with it. He was a little old guy. Happy retirement Maurice!

I continued playing at El Cortez regularly until Covid hit. There was a tough Italian Mobster looking pit guy named Paul that looked menacing, but actually seemed to like me. He was originally from New Jersey, so he might have just actually been an old mobster. He really looked the part. After Covid I had to switch up how I played, playing higher stakes mostly on the strip during busier weekend nights. I played that style until this Spring when I went back to playing the "local" type casinos and that included El Cortez. Paul also was no longer there. I have been back to playing downtown and El Cortez probably 3 times a month since March.

That ended this weekend. I tried to buy in for $600 and the dealer counted out 24 green chips, but the pit guy was on the phone and said just a minute. He came over and told the dealer to put the chips away. Just about that time an older guy walks up and introduces himself as the owner and CEO of El Cortez. He tell me they ar not going to allow me to play blackjack anymore. He says I can play any other game, but if I try to play blackjack they will trespass me. I respond "ok". What else could I do? Then he offers to buy me lunch. I decline but he says "come on, let's have lunch". Interesting. Lets see where this is going.

Unfortunately, my favorite El Cortez restaurant closed a few months ago. They are going to open a steak house in September. So my "gift" meal is lunch at a burger joint. Fitting. I order a burger and steak fries, It is ok. The CEO/Owner guy asks my name. I tell him I would rather not give it. He asks why. He says "I am not going to make it hard on you, you just can't play here". Then he says he already knows my name. He says I have been playing there for many years and have done pretty well. I respond "I guess." He asks if this is what I do for a living and I say among other things. He says he is impressed, but I don't think he really was. lol.

At the end of lunch, I thank him, we shake hands and he gives me (2) $25 free play chips. He tells me to play roulette or craps, not blackjack. I laugh. I bet the chips on 2 spins of roulette betting black. Neither wins. I guess THAT is fitting. I head for the door in the corner. The one at 6th and Fremont, for what I guess will be the final time. I sort of miss the place already. I always liked that place and never found it to be the "sweaty Spaniard" until my final day. And even that was kind of classy.
 
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DSchles

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Terrific story, well written! I have to admit: you are THE rare exception for El Cortez. No one can play there like that, especially for 18 years!! I know people who spread $5 to $10 on their single deck and were thrown out in 18 minutes! :)

I'll tell you two similar personal stories: In the old days (1970s, '80s), I played the Riviera DD, S17, DAS, LS game with absolute impunity for years and years. I think that, once you fly under the radar initially, and they like you and accept you, it becomes problematic for them to all of a sudden reverse course and decide to back you off. It's like they're stuck in a difficult situation. And, after many, many years, they started cutting very poorly one day (they used a yellow stop card on DD and dealt VERY deeply). I may have made some sort of comment, and the guy said, perfectly politely, "I think you've done pretty well here over the years" (as if to say: "You have nothing to complain about.")

Maxim was identical in every aspect. Their game was the best DD you could ever hope for. I played it for years and years. I had a host there--mobbed up for sure--Toby DiCesare-- who was extremely generous to me the whole time. I see he died just two years ago:
I also see, from a different obit, that he was 90 years old, which is 10 more than me.
Anyway, I never, ever, had a single incident with them. And here's the kicker: There was a balcony above the tables (like a catwalk!) where anyone (including casino management) could observe the games below. And do you know who that management was? Billy Zender! I have no doubt at all that he watched me play time and time again. So, I have to wonder if Toby ever discussed me with him and said, "Leave him alone." I'll never know.

Don
 

KewlJ

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Thank you Don. I too have seen players backed off at EC spreading red $$10-50, or $10-60.....often at the same table. One guy in particular was backed of spreading $10-60 I think, while I was spreading $50-$300. He looked at me as if to say "what about him?". But he didn't.

I also was backed off by an older Asian Lady one Saturday Morning,, that people called "Dragon Lady. Players that played EC will know who I mean as she was there a very long time. I never played with her again. If I saw her I kept walking.

Like you, I have definitely had a number of pit guys at different places, that I felt "liked" me and I felt let me play a little. And what is not to like? :) This Paul at EC was one of them. The only time he did back me off, his wording was "I think that is enough for TODAY". And true to his word, I played many times with him after.

I have a theory that in Las Vegas anyway, many pit folks don't want to back you off until they have to. Especially if they have come to know the player and know they play short sessions and know that in 30 minutes you will be gone either way. That has definitely contributed to my longevity in Las Vegas. One friend that works the pit at a strip casino told me backing off players requires him to write a report about doing so. Of course there are the other kind as well, just looking to back off players. After a while you can spot them too and learn to avoid them.

If my career ended today, I have had a very good run in Las Vegas. I am hoping for another 10 years though. I exit at the shuffle after showing my bet spread ONCE. They NEVER see me pull back to the smaller bet, which is a big tell. Short sessions is a tough way to play but it works in Las Vegas where there are many games in close proximity. One of the benefits is it limits the really big winning sessions. The kind that somebody has to answer for.

I have had 3 entries in the database that I know of and 2 occurred while playing out of town. Maybe I have been lucky, but it just feels like I have learned how to play Las Vegas. What is and isn't tolerated. I am kind of proud of that longevity.
 

KewlJ

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Speaking of Bill Zender, I don't know him of course, seems like maybe you did Don? Or am I reading that wrong?

But Zender's philosophy written in his book was that solo type card counters playing moderate stakes like max bet of mid black, were no REAL threat to casinos. Any countermeasures casinos employed like mediocre penetration cost the casinos in less rounds played FOR ALL PLAYERS. It cost the casino more than moderate level solo card counters could take. he thought countermeasures and backoffs, trespasses should be reserved for higher end players and well financed teams.

Most Vegas casinos unfortunately dismissed Zender's opinion. But there has been one casino here in Vegas that didn't. They pretty much went by Zender's view my entire time here in Vegas. I often wondered if he was employed or consulted with them for at least part of that time.

This casino was and remains without a doubt my best casinos. 6 deck games are dealt to 5 decks, sometime 5 and a quarter regularly. And I don't believe I have had a single backoff there. I am not going to name the Casino but it is 10 miles west of the city. If you don't live in that area or are visiting Vegas, it is well worth the trip. Also just a really nice casino.

Would have been nice if more casinos had adopted Zender's philosophy. I think it would have benefited them as well as us.
 

21forme

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The end of an era, KJ!

I only played EC a few times, 20-25 years ago. I played a BJ variant that, with the help of Automatic Monkey, we came up with a counting system. IIRC, the game was available at Caesars AC, maybe Showboat, and EC, and that was it, as far as I knew. Nothing had ever been written publicly about the game; not even by the "play killer" Shakelford. I spread from 1x5 to 2x200 and nobody cared. This game was invisible.

I said only a few times because I couldn't stand EC. It was such a dump, with a terrible tobacco stench and those horrible, yellow tinted windows (or was that residue from smokers?) I backed EC off and not the other way around.
 

KewlJ

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21forme said:
The end of an era, KJ!

I said only a few times because I couldn't stand EC. It was such a dump, with a terrible tobacco stench and those horrible, yellow tinted windows (or was that residue from smokers?) I backed EC off and not the other way around.
Yeah, a lot of people feel that way. I have always sort of had a "thing" for the old Las Vegas that I missed out on. And with good rules and not getting the heat others talk about, it just became one of my favorites.

There is a hallway in the middle of the casino that goes from the table game area to where Siegle's restaurant was. and the center of the casinos. A lot of people think that hallway is for employees only but it isn't. So that hallway is lined with pictures, of people that visited the casino. The rat pack and all those dudes. One of my favorite pictures, is of Elvis and Liberace. Elvis is sitting at a piano, Liberace standing with a guitar striped to him. Both were accomplished musicians and for all I know could play the other instrument than what they were known for, but it was definitely made in fun. I would LOVE to get my hands on that picture.

I have read that they were actually pretty close friends, would hang out and play together and vacationed together in Palm Springs. As different as they were and different ages, you can kind of see the same flamboyant, dress style when performing. I just love that kind of stuff from Vegas before my time.
 
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