Figuring Out The Correct Tc

[luv2playbj]

Hey guys,

im new to the post , so hopefully you can help me out with my first question I have. A friend of mine told me when playing a 6 deck shoe for example and the RC is +12 with 3 decks remaining if i was using the hi/lo count I would divide 12 by (3 x 2) and the TC would be +2 correct? if im completely wrong here please let me know so and how would the correct way be? appreciate all the comments and help.

thanks

 

[sagefr0g]

Hey guys,

im new to the post , so hopefully you can help me out with my first question I have. A friend of mine told me when playing a 6 deck shoe for example and the RC is +12 with 3 decks remaining if i was using the hi/lo count I would divide 12 by (3 x 2) and the TC would be +2 correct? if im completely wrong here please let me know so and how would the correct way be? appreciate all the comments and help.

thanks

hey luv2, your friend is talking about hi/lo lite as described by Arnold Snyder in Blackbelt In Blackjack. the value computed as you describe above is what is known as the true edge which is different from the true count that you would compute using hi/lo . for hi/lo you compute your true count by simply dividing the running count by the number of decks that have not been dealt.
hi/lo lite and hi/lo are two distinct count systems.
if you intend on using hi/lo lite you need to be careful that you don't confuse it with hi/lo .
two authors of blackjack books Wong of Professional Blackjack and Schlesinger of Blackjack Attack refer a considerable bulk of their statistics and charts using hi/lo as a benchmark.

best regards,
mr fr0g

 

[Dyepaintball12]

I am reading Snyders book, and I am also confused.

So for True Count, its (RC)/(Decks Remaining)

And for True Edge, its (RC)/(Decks Remaining x 2)

So lets say the running count is +10 and theres 2 1/2 decks remaining. Your True Count would be 4, and your True Edge would be 2.


So I know that for different counts you use either the True Count or True Edge, but what is the actual difference between the two? How can you just times the bottom by 2 and then still get your edge?

 

[sagefr0g]

I am reading Snyders book, and I am also confused.

So for True Count, its (RC)/(Decks Remaining)

to stem confusion it would be best to only consider True Count in relation to the good ole plain generic form of HI/LO . this generic form of HI/LO is the one most discussed by Wong in Professional Blackjack and Schlesinger in Blackjack Attack. the true count as discussed by these authors with respect to the good ole plain generic form of HI/LO is most commonly computed according to the following formula: TC = RC/(# of full decks not dealt) . the formula can be tweaked to make the true count calculation more accurate.
for example: TC = RC/(#of fractional decks not dealt)

And for True Edge, its (RC)/(Decks Remaining x 2)

this formula is used for the hi/lo lite count as discussed by Arnold Snyder in Blackbelt In Blackjack. he presents a whole way of treating this value which frankly i'm not totally conversant in. i abandoned trying to use the hi/lo lite count as i found it (in my opinion) un-necessarily convoluted and complex for what it can do for you as compared to the plain ole generic form of HI/LO .
you see i'd already been familiarized with Wong's and Schlesinger's books that refer a great deal to the plain ole generic form of HI/LO. so when i read about hi/lo lite in Snyder's book it was confusing for me perhaps in the same manner that you are expressing confusion. but i am in no way meaning to denigrate Snyder's treatment of hi/lo lite. i do understand what he is putting across and it is an interesting concept and has power and usefulness of it's own right. i just personally find it more complex than i care to deal with.

So lets say the running count is +10 and theres 2 1/2 decks remaining. Your True Count would be 4, and your True Edge would be 2.

right for the True Count but i would compute it by full decks remaining only so i would come up with 3 (where i would consider 2.5 decks remaining equivalant to 3 decks remaining )
i believe you are correct in your calculation of the True Edge.

So I know that for different counts you use either the True Count or True Edge, but what is the actual difference between the two? How can you just times the bottom by 2 and then still get your edge?

as i understand it Snyder's True Edge calculation for hi/lo lite gives you an accurate knowledge of the edge that you have. the True Count of good ole plain generic HI/LO just gives you an accurate knowledge of the ratio of high cards to low cards left to be dealt.
i really think it's best to not think so much about hi/lo lite and good ole generic HI/LO at the same time..... too confusing

best regards,
mr fr0g

 

[Dyepaintball12]

Gotcha.


Thanks,

David

 

[ortango]

I am reading Snyders book, and I am also confused.

So for True Count, its (RC)/(Decks Remaining)

And for True Edge, its (RC)/(Decks Remaining x 2)

So lets say the running count is +10 and theres 2 1/2 decks remaining. Your True Count would be 4, and your True Edge would be 2.


So I know that for different counts you use either the True Count or True Edge, but what is the actual difference between the two? How can you just times the bottom by 2 and then still get your edge?

I could be wrong but I believe what you are looking for is this simple: Snyder writes that each TC +1 is an approximate .5% advantage for the player. So if BS strategy at a particular game gives a house .5%, with a TC it is around even. So a TC of +5 would give you a 2% advantage on the house on the next hand.

I think thats all what he means by True edge, that each TC up is half a percent edge, which is why True Edge is half of True Count.