First Time in the Casino Counting

#1
Well...I'm in Windsor right now on a biz trip, and a few coworkers wanted to check out a local casino. I have been practicing counting religiously on CVBJ and feel like I've got a pretty good handle on it now.

All I had was 200 Canadian on me, and I didn't want to break out the ATM card in front of my coworkers since they are very light gamblers. I didn't expect to come home with anything due to that fact, but decided to see how I fared in keeping the count.

This was my first time in a casino in around 2 years. Prior to this, I had very limited knowledge of counting. The table minimum was 15$ so I basically back-counted and wonged in when things got hot.

Here's what I learned:

1. I had NO PROBLEM keeping the count and making the TC conversions the entire game. I had been running CVBJ on close to full speed during practice, so keeping up with the dealer was a cinch.

2. It takes FOREVER to sit through an 8-deck shoe after payouts, coloring up, people jumping in, etc. In CVBJ I can shuffle up when the count tanks...takes a lot longer when circling tables like a vulture in real life.

3. The good thing about little cards is that when they come out, they come out in the masses. It seems the count drops at a slower rate and it rises at a faster rate due to stands on higher hands and hits on lower hands. During play, I wondered if this could be mathematically supported?

4. I sat around forever waiting for a decent true count. I decided to wong in at TC=0 and play a few hands just for the heck of it. The count was up to TC=3 on the last round. I decided to raise my bet and...sure enough, I hit blackjack. It felt like magic. I wound up profiting 2.50 Canadian at the end of the night. That certainly was not magic, but the confidence in my abilities has skyrocketed!

5. I was surprised how often the dealer bent cards while dealing out of the shoe. I'm sure some AP approach could be used for this.

6. I never really appreciated how nice Tunica, my home turf, actually is. The buffets are so much better and beverages are complimentary when playing. Plus there are so many more tables and 5$ minimums, when compared to the "circle of death" I was hovering around tonight. With that said, I've never been to Atlantic City or Vegas.

All in all, the biggest reward for the night for me was that I came to grips that I can actually make this happen! I need to get a bankroll and an attack strategy figured out, but I have the fundamentals down.
 

Gamblor

Well-Known Member
#2
Memphis10Tigers said:
Here's what I learned:

1. I had NO PROBLEM keeping the count and making the TC conversions the entire game. I had been running CVBJ on close to full speed during practice, so keeping up with the dealer was a cinch.

2. It takes FOREVER to sit through an 8-deck shoe after payouts, coloring up, people jumping in, etc. In CVBJ I can shuffle up when the count tanks...takes a lot longer when circling tables like a vulture in real life.

3. The good thing about little cards is that when they come out, they come out in the masses. It seems the count drops at a slower rate and it rises at a faster rate due to stands on higher hands and hits on lower hands. During play, I wondered if this could be mathematically supported?

4. I sat around forever waiting for a decent true count. I decided to wong in at TC=0 and play a few hands just for the heck of it. The count was up to TC=3 on the last round. I decided to raise my bet and...sure enough, I hit blackjack. It felt like magic. I wound up profiting 2.50 Canadian at the end of the night. That certainly was not magic, but the confidence in my abilities has skyrocketed!

5. I was surprised how often the dealer bent cards while dealing out of the shoe. I'm sure some AP approach could be used for this.

6. I never really appreciated how nice Tunica, my home turf, actually is. The buffets are so much better and beverages are complimentary when playing. Plus there are so many more tables and 5$ minimums, when compared to the "circle of death" I was hovering around tonight. With that said, I've never been to Atlantic City or Vegas.
Good for you Memphis. Hey Mikey, I think he likes it.

On your points:

2. I'm sure it does, not too sure myself since I never really practiced and just went in into a casino guns loaded and half cocked :)

3. Interesting point, never really thought about this. Maybe its because its along the lines that at a low/avg count, dealer (and me :) ) catches crazy 7 card 21's fairly regularly. At a very high count, I have never seen that happen. On the other hand, at a high count, dealer is more likely to have a 10 up card, and you would think players would hit more often then. Meditate on this I must.

4. Wait til you get the rounds where the damn ploppies are taking your blackjacks and your stuck with a hard 13 :)

5. Yes. Also happens fairly regularly.

6. Can't speak for LV, but there's only a handful of casinos at most in AC that offer $5 games, Taj at off hours spring to mind. And of course AC generally has garbage rules.
 

Coyote

Well-Known Member
#3
It's a tough place!

Windsor has some of the crappiest rules around at the red chip level! No joke! Whenever I'm there I always figure I'm just paying to parctice straight counting. I would say being up 2.50 is great for your first time.

Windsor is a fun town an there is alot of fun to be had at the casion! :cool:

Keep it up and best of variance to you!

Coyote
 

johnnyb

Well-Known Member
#7
Memphis10Tigers said:
Well...I'm in Windsor right now on a biz trip, and a few coworkers wanted to check out a local casino. I have been practicing counting religiously on CVBJ and feel like I've got a pretty good handle on it now.

All I had was 200 Canadian on me, and I didn't want to break out the ATM card in front of my coworkers since they are very light gamblers. I didn't expect to come home with anything due to that fact, but decided to see how I fared in keeping the count.

This was my first time in a casino in around 2 years. Prior to this, I had very limited knowledge of counting. The table minimum was 15$ so I basically back-counted and wonged in when things got hot.

Here's what I learned:

1. I had NO PROBLEM keeping the count and making the TC conversions the entire game. I had been running CVBJ on close to full speed during practice, so keeping up with the dealer was a cinch.

2. It takes FOREVER to sit through an 8-deck shoe after payouts, coloring up, people jumping in, etc. In CVBJ I can shuffle up when the count tanks...takes a lot longer when circling tables like a vulture in real life.

3. The good thing about little cards is that when they come out, they come out in the masses. It seems the count drops at a slower rate and it rises at a faster rate due to stands on higher hands and hits on lower hands. During play, I wondered if this could be mathematically supported?

4. I sat around forever waiting for a decent true count. I decided to wong in at TC=0 and play a few hands just for the heck of it. The count was up to TC=3 on the last round. I decided to raise my bet and...sure enough, I hit blackjack. It felt like magic. I wound up profiting 2.50 Canadian at the end of the night. That certainly was not magic, but the confidence in my abilities has skyrocketed!

5. I was surprised how often the dealer bent cards while dealing out of the shoe. I'm sure some AP approach could be used for this.

6. I never really appreciated how nice Tunica, my home turf, actually is. The buffets are so much better and beverages are complimentary when playing. Plus there are so many more tables and 5$ minimums, when compared to the "circle of death" I was hovering around tonight. With that said, I've never been to Atlantic City or Vegas.

All in all, the biggest reward for the night for me was that I came to grips that I can actually make this happen! I need to get a bankroll and an attack strategy figured out, but I have the fundamentals down.
Overall, great progress!

2. Yes, I know exactly what you mean, or atleast mostly. I play 6 deck shoes and on weekends the tables are FULL of ploppies everywhere. Betting, dealing the hands, and payouts are a pain in the ass to watch because I'm sitting there backcounting and ready for the next hand to come out!

3. Really depends on the composition of the deck ie- the shuffle. Count could really go just about anywhere for all we know, until we see what comes out of course.

4. The problem about these big deck shoes is that it takes a lot of patience to casually backcount until the TC becomes high enough for you to wong-in. But when you do end up finding a very juicy shoe, you get to experience a high count for a bit longer. Keep the confidence up!

5. Try to learn! I'm sure the information could potentially be useful.

;)
 
#8
Thanks for the words of encouragement. I'm really hoping to continue building on my momentum, but understand that I should prepare myself for some not so good times too.

As far as back-counting goes, what is the best way to come off as just a casual observer? And what about excuses for sitting out hands?
 
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