Going Postal at Blackjack

[UncrownedKing]

The "Going Postal at Blackjack" essay proves that the Ten Count in the piece is better than Hi-Lo with simple math. "My Ten Count is an upgrade of Thorp's Ten Count. The non-tens(except aces) are +1, tens are -2. With more tens( plus count ) and aces left, the chances of receiving blackjacks increase. 8's and 9's are side counted for basic strategy deviations. I managed to be barred all over Nevada using my method. Betting with my head, not over it. You can brag to your friends and family about the fear the casinos will have of you if you play perfect. If six 7's, 8's, or 9's and three 2-6's with four face cards are played at a heads up single deck game, we have the advantage. The chance of being dealt a blackjack rises to 6.47% instead of the 4.83% off the top. And we can calculate perfect insurance from a Ten Count that doesn't include aces. The aces are side counted, giving us perfect blackjack frequency prediction and insurance. The hi-lo count is -1 and the eye in the sky will think we are nuts to make a big bet. I employed this method in the 90's at Reno and Lake Tahoe. Played untouched for seven years. The pit and eye thought I was a long term loser. I laughed all the way to the bank."

JSTAT

I believe he wants to see the math, not an explanation of a specific situation.

 

[JSTAT]

I believe he wants to see the math, not an explanation of a specific situation.

Off the top blackjack math (16x4x2) / (52x51) is 4.83% or one in 20.7 hands. The math for the succeding hypothetical example of (12x4x2) / (39x38) is 6.47% or one in 15.4 hands..."Going Postal at Blackjack" goes on to say, " If six 7's, 8's, or 9's and three 2-6's with four face cards are played at a heads up single deck game, we have the advantage. The chance of being dealt a blackjack rises to 6.47% instead of the 4.83% off the top. And we can calculate perfect insurance from a Ten Count that doesn't include aces. The aces are side counted, giving us perfect blackjack frequency prediction and insurance. The hi-lo count is -1 and the eye in the sky will think we are nuts to make a big bet. I employed this method in the 90's at Reno and Lake Tahoe. Played untouched for seven years. The pit and eye thought I was a long term loser. I laughed all the way to the bank.

we are playing two hands heads up at single deck. Our first hand is A,A and the second is A,9. The dealer shows an ace and asks for insurance. The hi-lo count is -4, not an insurable count. My Ten Count differs because taking insurance is a positive expectation event in this situation. +1 with four aces gone with less than 1/4 deck played takes about +3.5 and above to gain the insurance advantage. 4 aces and +1 equals +5, we take the insurance while the hi-lo counter misses out and is clueless." Is that enough math? Can the hi-lo experts prove the same with math only?

JSTAT

 

[1357111317]

How come you repeat yourself with the exact same explanations and situations every single post your make? I have read the same stories and explanations about a million times. I want some new information about your count not the same old rehearsed crap.

 

[RedChipper]

Use your calculator to prove how your win per hour is greater than hi-lo. It'd be cool to see variance, as well. Use your spread and tell us the rules of your game. I don't want the same 2 unique examples you showed in your original post. I want the overall stats.

Then I'll believe in your count.

 

[JSTAT]

How come you repeat yourself with the exact same explanations and situations every single post your make? I have read the same stories and explanations about a million times. I want some new information about your count not the same old rehearsed crap.

This thread is about my essay "Going Postal on Blackjack" I'd be glad to respond to questions on the piece.

JSTAT

 

[JSTAT]

Use your calculator to prove how your win per hour is greater than hi-lo. It'd be cool to see variance, as well. Use your spread and tell us the rules of your game. I don't want the same 2 unique examples you showed in your original post. I want the overall stats.

Then I'll believe in your count.

I used my calculator in a prior post. I calculated blackjack frequencies. I'm not asking you believe in "Going Postal at Blackjack", just consider a logical point of view.

JSTAT

 

[Ninja Chipmunk]

What's so stressful about being a postal worker?

 

[RingyDingy]

What's so stressful about being a postal worker?

because he has to prove how many letters he delivers each day and what the EV is on your letter arriving within the prescribed window?

Also there is a sidecount of Parcels to worry about, and of course some have insurance.

its a proverbial mathematical nightmare......



JSTAT still waiting on your proof mate, show me a million hand sim result Vs Hi-Lo based on some commmon SD/DD games.

 

[JSTAT]

What's so stressful about being a postal worker?

The post office feels that a unhappy worker is a productive worker. Some postal workers have gone off the edge and killed supervisors and back stabbing employees. This is called "Going Postal." I'll give you one story. My supervisor in 2001 thought it was more important for me to deliver mail rather than dealing with the death of my father in law. At 12:00, my wife called the post office informing them that her father was given a few hours to live in Portland, Oregon. I was needed to fly with her to Portland. The supervisor decided not to tell me on my route. I found out at 3:30 and called my wife. She's at the airport crying, asking, where have I been? Too late for me to join her. Her father died 3 hours later. I was so pissed, I felt like going postal at that supervisor. My wife said let it go, and I did. I used that stress and channeled that energy into winning at 21.

 

[itrack]

Even if this count does work better than hi-lo, you are comparing a basic count to a count with 4 side counts. Add these 4 side counts onto hi-lo and which ones better now? And like others are saying, hearing cpoy and pasted responses over and over again about how you played in reno for 7 years (which no one cares about) are getting old.

 

[vingtetun]

What's so stressful about being a postal worker?

"The more you get out, the more you get in."

NEWMAN on why postal workers go postal. Also the fact that zip codes are meaningless.

 

[Ninja Chipmunk]

The post office feels that a unhappy worker is a productive worker. Some postal workers have gone off the edge and killed supervisors and back stabbing employees. This is called "Going Postal." I'll give you one story. My supervisor in 2001 thought it was more important for me to deliver mail rather than dealing with the death of my father in law. At 12:00, my wife called the post office informing them that her father was given a few hours to live in Portland, Oregon. I was needed to fly with her to Portland. The supervisor decided not to tell me on my route. I found out at 3:30 and called my wife. She's at the airport crying, asking, where have I been? Too late for me to join her. Her father died 3 hours later. I was so pissed, I felt like going postal at that supervisor. My wife said let it go, and I did. I used that stress and channeled that energy into winning at 21.

I was going for more of the Seinfeld/Newman responses. Your response didn't answer the question of why postal work is supposedly so stressful. Despite the story where your boss is an ass, this particular story has no relevance to postal employee stress. It may be a past cause of your stress, but not the typical postal worker

Also in your posts you make quite a few statements try to sound like fact when they are not. For example, "the postal service thinks unhappy employees are more productive" or "the ten count is superior to hi-lo". You don't hear me going around saying ninjas are better than pirates. Even though I feel ninjas are vastly superior to pirates I cannot prove it, no matter how long my "essay" on the subject is, so I don't say it.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

I used my calculator in a prior post. I calculated blackjack frequencies. I'm not asking you believe in "Going Postal at Blackjack", just consider a logical point of view.

JSTAT

Look man, the balanced 10 count, Archer or Fry or whatever you want to call it, is a perfectly good one. Lots of old-timers still use it. There's nothing to fight about.

Here's a suggestion for you: write it up as a complete system and publish it. Add a note on how to use it to beat the Lucky Ladies and Push sidebets, which is where it excels.

 

[JSTAT]

I was going for more of the Seinfeld/Newman responses. Your response didn't answer the question of why postal work is supposedly so stressful. Despite the story where your boss is an ass, this particular story has no relevance to postal employee stress. It may be a past cause of your stress, but not the typical postal worker

Also in your posts you make quite a few statements try to sound like fact when they are not. For example, "the postal service thinks unhappy employees are more productive" or "the ten count is superior to hi-lo". You don't hear me going around saying ninjas are better than pirates. Even though I feel ninjas are vastly superior to pirates I cannot prove it, no matter how long my "essay" on the subject is, so I don't say it.

Arnold Snyder knows about the stress of the USPS. Snyder was a mailman, like myself. Snyder was involved with one of the biggest payouts in the EEOC's history against the postal service. It made headlines in the postal community. Snyder most likely channeled the stress of being a postal worker to publish the greatest source of blackjack, "Blackjack Forum." A good role model.

JSTAT

 

[Katweezel]

Seinfeld, car and golf clubs gone Postal

Arnold Snyder knows about the stress of the USPS. Snyder was a mailman, like myself. Snyder was involved with one of the biggest payouts in the EEOC's history against the postal service. It made headlines in the postal community. Snyder most likely channeled the stress of being a postal worker to publish the greatest source of blackjack, "Blackjack Forum." A good role model.

JSTAT

JSTAT, you always get full brownie points for persistence mate, no doubt about it. But none for repetition. If I ever see that tired old Thorpe story yet again, no jury would ever convict me of going Postal, having re-read that one too many times.

This thing of yours will never lie down and die, will it... I have an entertaining Postal story that you may recall, and this one might even keep MAZ awake, as it's a true story. Well, almost... Kramer and Newman decide to use Newman's Postal van to take heaps of 5-cent-for-returns alum cans to another state, to make a killing. They rummaged in rubbish all over New York collecting a mailvan full.

During the trip, Kramer sees the load is too big and jettisons several bags of cans. Then, they spot Jerry's sports car which has been stolen by Jerry's mechanic, who has fallen in love with it. The mechanic sees that he has been made and begins throwing some old JFK bent golf clubs that Elaine had bid $25K for of her loony boss's money. One JFK 2-iron damages the radiator and to lighten the load further, Kramer stops the van and gives big fat Newman the boot, and drives off, leaving Newman steaming, to collect the bent clubs.

Newman takes a hike and eventually finds a farmhouse where a hillbilly makes him dinner. Elly May is all horned up over Newman and Jake has to chase Newman off with a shotgun.

Now, wasn't that a far more entertaining story than that tired old Thorpe stuff and all that other bullshit? :cat:
PS I'm glad you never mentioned this again: "I am the world's most feared card counter."

 

[JSTAT]

JSTAT, you always get full brownie points for persistence mate, no doubt about it. But none for repetition. If I ever see that tired old Thorpe story yet again, no jury would ever convict me of going Postal, having re-read that one too many times.

This thing of yours will never lie down and die, will it... I have an entertaining Postal story that you may recall, and this one might even keep MAZ awake, as it's a true story. Well, almost... Kramer and Newman decide to use Newman's Postal van to take heaps of 5-cent-for-returns alum cans to another state, to make a killing. They rummaged in rubbish all over New York collecting a mailvan full.

During the trip, Kramer sees the load is too big and jettisons several bags of cans. Then, they spot Jerry's sports car which has been stolen by Jerry's mechanic, who has fallen in love with it. The mechanic sees that he has been made and begins throwing some old JFK bent golf clubs that Elaine had bid $25K for of her loony boss's money. One JFK 2-iron damages the radiator and to lighten the load further, Kramer stops the van and gives big fat Newman the boot, and drives off, leaving Newman steaming, to collect the bent clubs.

Newman takes a hike and eventually finds a farmhouse where a hillbilly makes him dinner. Elly May is all horned up over Newman and Jake has to chase Newman off with a shotgun.

Now, wasn't that a far more entertaining story than that tired old Thorpe stuff and all that other bullshit? :cat:
PS I'm glad you never mentioned this again: "I am the world's most feared card counter."

Very entertaining. But "Thorpe" in your post should be spelled Thorp.:whip:

JSTAT

 

[UncrownedKing]

Look man, the balanced 10 count, Archer or Fry or whatever you want to call it, is a perfectly good one. Lots of old-timers still use it. There's nothing to fight about.

Here's a suggestion for you: write it up as a complete system and publish it. Add a note on how to use it to beat the Lucky Ladies and Push sidebets, which is where it excels.

I agree with AM, although I don't think publishing how to beat Lucky Ladies and Push sidebets would be a good idea if you want to keep them around.

 

[johndoe]

Look man, the balanced 10 count, Archer or Fry or whatever you want to call it, is a perfectly good one. Lots of old-timers still use it. There's nothing to fight about.

I'm not sure I agree; sure, it's better than nothing, but the SCORE was about half of hi-lo on a shoe game. Is it really comparable to more common systems on SD/DD?

 

[Automatic Monkey]

I'm not sure I agree; sure, it's better than nothing, but the SCORE was about half of hi-lo on a shoe game. Is it really comparable to more common systems on SD/DD?

Sure, if you use it right. Don't forget that on SD you can't get much of a spread down, you might even have to settle for 1-2 if you are a local and plan on playing there for a long time. In that case having perfect insurance information is going to be a big part of your EV.

It's also very good in a backcount or a call-in game where you're both always playing with an advantage and always flat-betting or betting a table max, and knowing when to take insurance is the most valuable information you can have once you're in the game.

 

[Sonny]

The shuffle tracking part of the essay was so good and helpful for the players, the moderator censored some of it. Damn the players! Are the moderators in bed with Da Man or the casino industry or High-Low book industry?:whip:

For those of you interested in the censored part of the story, here is the entire portion that was removed:

"The six deck shuffle at [censored] is an example."

Apparently that one sentence was so critical that it was worth complaining about.

I posted this essay last week on Anthony Curtis' Las Vegas Advisor's "Vegas-Free for-All" message board. It received a better reception than here, with close to 1k views.

I guess the phrase "better reception" is relative. Here are a few of the responses from the LVA forum:

"This guys been pushing this tired old system for months now." – Frankie Rizzo

"This guys been pushing this tired old system for YEARS now." - LifelongCat

"Dude, get over yourself! Nobody is impressed with your ancient stories and obnoxious name dropping. Why don't you just fade away?" – joeschmeaux

"I on the other hand have seen [JSTAT's] garbage from time to time for years at places like Wong's or the old rec.gambling usenet group. Sorry, I have formed my opinion based on a lot of data…This guy's issues go beyond that, and he is frankly just an annoying shill." - LifelongCat

"...he has tried to sell his system, and he keeps starting threads that state the same thing over and over. He comes back every 2 weeks or so and tries it all over again." – Frankie Rizzo

-Sonny-