going to vegas in 2 weeks, which count should i learn? maybe KO or Hi/Lo? or other?

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tripleec

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ill be going to vegas in 2 weeks, what count should i try to learn by then? i already have BS committed to memory.

i was considering KO/reKO since i dont need to keep track of a True Count (dont like the idea of keeping a TC and RC), but Hi/Lo is a very basic method as well and is a lot easier to keep track compared to an unbalanced system.

what would be a good beginner's strategy/count?
 
PrinceDragon

PrinceDragon

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My 2 cents

tripleec said:
ill be going to vegas in 2 weeks, what count should i try to learn by then? i already have BS committed to memory.

i was considering KO/reKO since i dont need to keep track of a True Count (dont like the idea of keeping a TC and RC), but Hi/Lo is a very basic method as well and is a lot easier to keep track compared to an unbalanced system.

what would be a good beginner's strategy/count?
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Just play B.S.
2 weeks are way too short to learn a counting system properly.
If you really wanna do it,try REKO
Best of luck:)
P.D.
 
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Blue Efficacy

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How about wizard's ace-five? That's really easy to learn, and really easy to apply. If you spread enough and the game is decent, it can give you a break even game.
 
SD Padres

SD Padres

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Just play BS this trip and flat bet. Two weeks is not enough time to learn a count and be able to implement in casino.
 
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aneuzil21

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Hilo

Learn HILO and practice everyday all day before you go. Don't jump into a table until it's at least at a +2. Jump out as soon as it's negative.

As far as TC goes, just be conservative. TC is RC / # of decks remaining. Just be conservative and keep the math easy. If you're at a +4 and there is 3 decks left (4 divided 3), just go with a count of +1 instead of the true 1-1/3. If the count is a +5 with 2 decks remaining (5 divided 3), just go with a +1 instead of the true 1-2/3. If the count is -1, walk away.

Practice on the strategy trainer on this site. But go to this link and practice this most: http://www.lastresortconsulting.com/practice-class/counting/
Counting in pairs is more important than anything!

Good luck and let us know how you do.
 
Automatic Monkey

Automatic Monkey

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SD Padres said:
Just play BS this trip and flat bet. Two weeks is not enough time to learn a count and be able to implement in casino.
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I don't agree. Everyone is different. For me, it took reading a paragraph about High-Low and within an hour using it at the table I was counting at full speed. Other people it takes months to get used to it.

More importantly, keep your bet low. A $10-100 spread will be just fine, and refuse to play very low counts.
 
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Diver

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Casion Verite

If you're going to try and learn a counting system on a crash basis, you should really consider getting Casino Verite so can practice intensively. Other than counting, you'll want to be sure you have worked out the proper bet spread relative to your bankroll and risk of ruin.
 
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White Guy

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Two weeks is plenty of time to learn Hi Lo if you already know BS. I was able to learn both effectively in under one week. I studied 40 hrs during that period though.
 
SD Padres

SD Padres

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Automatic Monkey said:
I don't agree. Everyone is different. For me, it took reading a paragraph about High-Low and within an hour using it at the table I was counting at full speed. Other people it takes months to get used to it.

More importantly, keep your bet low. A $10-100 spread will be just fine, and refuse to play very low counts.
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I suppose it's quite possible he could learn and implement in two weeks. On the other hand, if he thinks he's ready and is spreading large bets into what he believes are postive counts (and are not); he could get into trouble real quick. That's just my opinion though. It's one thing to sit at your kitchen table and count effectively and recall indices 100% but to pull it off in casino is a different matter.

tripleec...Good luck to ya either way!:)
 
FLASH1296

FLASH1296

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Unless he CRAMS, studying and practicing a LOT of hours daily, he should relax and just play Basic Strategy.

A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, once the money is on the felt.
 
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Billy C1

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Learning to count is the easy part. To be successful using it he/she has to stay under the radar. That's the uneasy part!

Billy C1
 
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21forme

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Automatic Monkey said:
I don't agree. Everyone is different. For me, it took reading a paragraph about High-Low and within an hour using it at the table I was counting at full speed. Other people it takes months to get used to it.
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I read a dozen books and practiced for ~6 months before playing for real in a casino. Guess I'm a little slow...
 
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Billy C1

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Smoke

21forme said:
I read a dozen books and practiced for ~6 months before playing for real in a casino. Guess I'm a little slow...
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No shame there! AM might have learned to count in an hour but he's blowing smoke if he says he could use it effectively at that point.

Billy C1
 
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callipygian

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Billy C1 said:
AM might have learned to count in an hour but he's blowing smoke if he says he could use it effectively at that point.
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That all depends on your definition of "effectively". In an hour, you can learn how to count Hi-Lo; if you play at a full table, counting speed isn't an issue; simply Wonging out at -1 and spreading 1:2 is enough to be EV positive in most shoe games if you don't tip.

The question is whether you consider this outcome to be "effective" or not. It certainly accomplishes the mental barrier of "sticking it to the man" and "beating the house"; but it'll be a few centuries before you make enough to retire. Depending on your definition of success, this is something that can be considered successful for 2 weeks of training (and, generalizing from other new counters, a grossly insufficient bankroll :grin:).
 
Automatic Monkey

Automatic Monkey

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21forme said:
I read a dozen books and practiced for ~6 months before playing for real in a casino. Guess I'm a little slow...
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Not slow just thorough!

I'm convinced it's all a matter of individual psychology. The only time I've been able to swim was the time I fell out of my boat in deep water and couldn't get back in. Swam like a champ to a dock over 100 yards away, towing the boat with a rope behind me. There's no motivator like fear of death. The only way training software would work for me is if it involved high-voltage electrodes or actual loss of money.
 
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tripleec

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hey thanks for all the replies everyone! after doing a lot of reading on reKO, I have decided that for this trip it might be best to just use BS and the Ace / Five count (since I will be going in less than 2 weeks now).

Hopefully it will be a fun time in vegas and the tables will treat me well. When I return I will most likely learn KO/reKO.

I will let you all know how my trip to vegas works out with BS and Ace / Five.
 
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