Gorilla player team strategy

[Midwestern]

Im wondering if anyone has input on gorilla player team strategy.
A few questions related to the subject:

Can the gorilla stay at the same table as the spotter or should he be signalled in?

Should the spotter spread at all, or just flat bet?
Should the gorilla spread at all or just flat bet?

How do you determine a correct gorilla bet size given a particular team bankroll?
-or I'll ask this question another way-
If gorilla and spotter both flat bet, what ratio should the bet sizes be in relation to each other?

What kind of EV, or profit expectation/variance should we expect from a particular "team spread"? I.e.... Gorilla bets 500, spotter bets 5. Effectively a BINARY 1-100 spread.. I don't know if standard blackjack EV and variance calculations apply bbecause there is such a heavy spread and the gorilla is only playing in the most advantageous of situations.

I know that bojack and rjt commented alot on another thread about a year ago regarding bp vs gorilla play but I didn't see alot of these questions answered.

Cheers!
-midwestern

 

[Dyepaintball12]

A "Gorilla" is someone who bets big but doesn't know how to play. The spotter has to call him in AND signal him how to play and bet.

A "BP" style is calling in a big bettor who know takes over and makes all decisions himself.

For the win rate you just calculate the win rate for the Gorilla bets and then the win rate (negative) for the flat betting spotter.

 

[Sonny]

Can the gorilla stay at the same table as the spotter or should he be signalled in?

It can be done either way. Calling him in is better for EV since he is not playing any -EV hands.

Should the spotter spread at all, or just flat bet?

Flat bet.

Should the gorilla spread at all or just flat bet?

That's up to you. Spreading has a higher EV but there are many other things to consider.

How do you determine a correct gorilla bet size given a particular team bankroll?

The same way you do for solo play - you set up the spread you want to use and adjust the unit size to get an acceptable ROR.

If gorilla and spotter both flat bet, what ratio should the bet sizes be in relation to each other?

That's up to you. Just like with solo play, the higher the spread, the higher the EV.

What kind of EV, or profit expectation/variance should we expect from a particular "team spread"? I.e.... Gorilla bets 500, spotter bets 5. Effectively a BINARY 1-100 spread..

There are some good links in the FAQ thread:

Q: I want to start a team. How should we bet?
A: Well, if you don’t know how to bet then you aren’t ready to start a team. Keep studying and practicing until you have every piece of your game plan ready. In the meantime, read through some of these old threads:
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?p=28662
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?t=6468

-Sonny-

 

[moo321]

I think at least a 1-50 spread is good, 1-100 is better.

Make sure your people are VERY well trained before you do this in a casino. i.e. Practice call-ins and signals and everything with loud music on with a real shoe, etc.

 

[zengrifter]

Im wondering if anyone has input on gorilla player team strategy.
A few questions related to the subject:

Can the gorilla stay at the same table as the spotter or should he be signalled in?

Should the spotter spread at all, or just flat bet?
Should the gorilla spread at all or just flat bet?

How do you determine a correct gorilla bet size given a particular team bankroll?
-or I'll ask this question another way-
If gorilla and spotter both flat bet, what ratio should the bet sizes be in relation to each other?

Some gorillas stay at the table and spread per the signal.
Gorilla ramp and max bet is detirmined exactly as you would if you played solo. zg

 

[Sucker]

Some gorillas stay at the table and spread per the signal.
Gorilla ramp and max bet is detirmined exactly as you would if you played solo. zg

I suppose that if you have an unlimited supply of expendable gorillas, and you're very upfront with them about their likelihood of getting barred; you could get REALLY outrageous with the betting spread. :grin:

 

[Dyepaintball12]

I suppose that if you have an unlimited supply of expendable gorillas, and you're very upfront with them about their likelihood of getting barred; you could get REALLY outrageous with the betting spread. :grin:

Yeah you definitely need to be ready for BPs and Gorillas to get flagged and tossed.

 

[zengrifter]

I suppose that if you have an unlimited supply of expendable gorillas, and you're very upfront with them about their likelihood of getting barred; you could get REALLY outrageous with the betting spread. :grin:

Yes, come to think of it. z:laugh:g