great game-indexes needed

j.a.o.p.

Member
hi all,
i`m a gernan pokerplayer.coincidently
i found a very profitabel game in a strange corner of europe

DD,enhc,surrender,double any 2,das,penetration 65-85%( depending on dealer and number of players).spread 1-30 + more boxes as a rider.

for special reasons there is no risk that i`ll get banned soon.

unfortunately,the last time i did counting is 25 years ago.so,i`m a bit rusty.i count hi-lo with an A-side count.
i know, far from optimal for a handheld game, but i definitely will NOT learn a new count.

guess the game is basic strat approx. -0.15%?
(should be even with dealer mistakes.lol)

at the moment i play indexes "by gut".
would be great if you guys help me out.

thanks in advance

mike
 

zengrifter

Banned
For this game HiLo is quite sufficient, and you do not need the Ace side count. You DO need about 30+ indices.
Also you will need a betting strategy calibrated to your BR and risk acceptance.

Auf wedershen! zg
 

j.a.o.p.

Member
Sonny said:
You can find the first 18 indices for HiLo in the Frequently Asked Questions thread.

-Sonny-
i`m using 6 deck index now.but this isn`t very precise.e.g.
9vs2= +1,while i know with 2 decks its a double at 0.

here are some situations where i`ve been helpless:

13 vs 8 running count +8! with approx 22-24 cards left??
44 with true counts +6 and higher?
in shoegames i surrender 14 vs T at +3.my "BJ-gut" says +1 in DD???
8/18 vs 9 at TC +6 with half deck left??
when to stand with 15 vs T or 9 with 3 cards?and similar.
there has to be a point where A2-A6 vs 2 get a double?
and on and on.
i know CV-software would help but i`m a real donk in all computer stuff.more than this.

mike
 

j.a.o.p.

Member
zengrifter said:
For this game HiLo is quite sufficient, and you do not need the Ace side count. You DO need about 30+ indices.
Also you will need a betting strategy calibrated to your BR and risk acceptance.

Auf wedershen! zg
i like my A sidecount.esp for betting purposes in shortdeck situations.
i`m not a fan of wagering big in a situation like:
half deck,RC +2 and no aces left.am i right here?
what is the EV of above?and what is EV for any added A?

for BR management.limits are 10/300.
i usually start with 2 min boxes.in negative counts (where is no hope on a turn to positive) i close one box.
in positive counts i play up to 4 or 5 boxes (2 of my own)
i increase the betting in 5 steps

+1=30
+2=50
+3=80
+4=100
+5 and above 150 up to 200 depending on how i feel
 
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BJgenius007

Well-Known Member
single/double decks index modification.

j.a.o.p. said:
i`m using 6 deck index now.but this isn`t very precise.e.g.
9vs2= +1,while i know with 2 decks its a double at 0.

here are some situations where i`ve been helpless:

13 vs 8 running count +8! with approx 22-24 cards left??
44 with true counts +6 and higher?
in shoegames i surrender 14 vs T at +3.my "BJ-gut" says +1 in DD???
8/18 vs 9 at TC +6 with half deck left??
when to stand with 15 vs T or 9 with 3 cards?and similar.
there has to be a point where A2-A6 vs 2 get a double?
and on and on.
i know CV-software would help but i`m a real donk in all computer stuff.more than this.

mike
This is for Hi Opt 1. (Hi Lo index is 20% or 25% higher because of aces.)

Standing Soft 18 vs Dealer A: 0. (+1 for multi decks)/ hit only if negative count (multiple decks: hit if count is zero or negative)
Double A, 9 vs Dealer 4: Stand (+6 for multi decks)
Double A, 8 vs Dealer 2: Stand (+6 for multi decks)
Double A, 4 vs Dealer 3: +4 (+5 for multi decks)
Double A, 2 vs Dealer 3: +5 (+6 for multi decks)
Split 8, 8 vs Dealer 10: below +2 ( below +6 for multi decks)
Standing hard 16 vs. Dealer 8: always hit (+8 for multi decks)

The above is the same for one or two decks. The only occasion that it is different for one and two decks is:

Standing 7,7 vs Dealer 10: 0 (single deck)/ stand if 0 or above (Only two 7's left!)
Standing 7,7 vs Dealer 10: +4 (2 decks)/ stand if +4 or above
Standing 7,7 vs Dealer 10: always hit (multi decks)

There are also 13 different indexes for late surrender. But the differences are only 1 for most cases.
 

j.a.o.p.

Member
@ BJGenius,tyvm

i just played 2 hours.

wasn`t bad at all,though i lost huge hand.

half deck,single card over cutting card.so full hand gets dealt.
running count +12!!!!!,5 Aces left!
i couldn`t resist and played 3boxes max.:rolleyes:

got BJ,T8,T2 vs a wonderfull 3.
stand all.
3,T,4.:flame:
on my request dealer opened remaining cards:
two 7`s,four 8`s,two 9`s,five T`s and four Aces.:flame:

nice beat,imo!

btw,can one of you guys tell me what my advantage was?
 

zengrifter

Banned
j.a.o.p. said:
i`m using 6 deck index now.but this isn`t very precise.e.g.
9vs2= +1,while i know with 2 decks its a double at 0.

here are some situations where i`ve been helpless:

13 vs 8 running count +8! with approx 22-24 cards left??
44 with true counts +6 and higher?
in shoegames i surrender 14 vs T at +3.my "BJ-gut" says +1 in DD???
8/18 vs 9 at TC +6 with half deck left??
when to stand with 15 vs T or 9 with 3 cards?and similar.
there has to be a point where A2-A6 vs 2 get a double?
and on and on.
i know CV-software would help but i`m a real donk in all computer stuff.more than this.

mike
6D indices are FINE, will not affec t your winrate for the firs 10 million or so hands.

Can someone please provide him with 30+ indices? zg
 
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