guidelines for surrender?

[jimbiggs]

On Friday I played at a casino that offered surrender. You can surrender on your first two cards after the dealer checks for BJ. What I've read about surrender it that you should always surrender with a 16 against a 9, 10, Ace or a 15 against 10 or an Ace. I was wondering if I should deviate from these rules with a high or low true count. Can anyone tell me the best strategy for using a High/Low count with surrender?

 

[tedloc]

Not much difference...

On Friday I played at a casino that offered surrender. You can surrender on your first two cards after the dealer checks for BJ. What I've read about surrender it that you should always surrender with a 16 against a 9, 10, Ace or a 15 against 10 or an Ace. I was wondering if I should deviate from these rules with a high or low true count. Can anyone tell me the best strategy for using a High/Low count with surrender?

I'm not 100% sure but here goes. Your probability of busting with a 16 is 62%. If you play 100 hands @ $1 per hand, you will end up with $50 by surrendering. If you hit the hand you will bust 62 times and make a hand the other 38. Of these 38, who knows how many will win. If you stay on 16, you will win 23% vs a dealer 9 and end up with $46. Vs a 10, about the same and vs an Ace, you will only win 20% for a net of $40.
I doubt the positive/negative count will assure you of extra 4's and 5's coming out, so I would say, SURRENDER.

 

[21playerBJ]

Surrendering in a high count

Jim,
I read in an earlier post that you mostly (or frequently) play at Morongo. I happen to know that they do not offer surrender. Where you playing at San Manual?

As far as your question, the higher the count goes the more likely you would be successful in surrendering even the 14 against the power cards or even consider surrendering the 15 & 16 to even lower dealer up cards, i.e. the 9's and 8's. Another option might be to consider standing on your stiff, hope really hard that the dealer has a low card in the hole, and then due to the high count hope that the dealer draws one of the "many" high cards left in the deck to bust.

I was out at Morongo last night & did all right as I usually do. If it was San Manual that you were at Friday nite, how did you do? I can't seem to get a good run of cards out there..........but then on the other hand maybe it is all the "ploppies" that play out there and they (at least as far as I am concerned) seem to disrupt the card flow substantially.

 

[jimbiggs]

I was playing at ***Casino A***. ***Casino B*** uses CSM's on all their tables, so I haven't been there since I started counting.

I like ***Casino C*** best, but I thought I'd try other casinos so the pit bosses didn't get to used to seeing my face. I read somewhere that you should wait three months before visiting the same casino again. Obviously, that author wasn't speaking specifically about Southern Cali.

At ***Casino A*** I was playing six decks, S17, DA2, DAS, surrender, and they normally cut about one and a half decks off the back. Table minimum is $10. I played 8 to 9 hours and lost $110.

They also have single and double deck, but they limit your double downs. I think you can only double on 11 on single deck.

 

[zengrifter]

Surrender Indices

On Friday I played at a casino that offered surrender. You can surrender on your first two cards after the dealer checks for BJ. What I've read about surrender it that you should always surrender with a 16 against a 9, 10, Ace or a 15 against 10 or an Ace. I was wondering if I should deviate from these rules with a high or low true count. Can anyone tell me the best strategy for using a High/Low count with surrender?

Can I assume that you are counting HiLo with indexed BS departure points (ie, indices)? If so here are the indices for surrender -

Late Surrender
Number before slash (/) is index for S17;
number after slash is the index for H17

16v8 +5
16v9 0
16v10 -4
16vA 0/-5

88v9 +8
88v10 0

15v8 +6
15v9 +2
15v10 0
15vA +2/0

14v9 +4
14v10 +2
14vA +4/+2

77v10 +2

13v9 +10
13v10 +6

 

[jimbiggs]

Thanks Zen,

That's what I was looking for.