H.E.T. "The Evil Empire"

FLASH1296

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#1
From today on Anthony Curtis' "Las Vegas Advisor"

Q:
You recently answered a question about Carl Ichan in which you stated that very few complaints were ever made about Arizona Charlie’s or the Stratosphere when he was involved. Not like, say, Harrah’s Entertainment. Could you explain what you mean but that a little more.
A:
When our managing editor, David McKee, was at the Las Vegas Business Press, he was calling around to local experts, asking their opinions of the best casino amenities in town. Much to his surprise, some of the consumer advocates he spoke with voiced displeasure – vehement displeasure – with Harrah’s Entertainment. Anecdotally, he has found that Harrah’s is the most complained-about company in gaming, by far.
The June 28 Las Vegas Review-Journal told the tale of "recently frequent" Vegas tourist Mitch Goldstone, who paid $548 in advance for Bette Midler tickets – only to receive an 80% discount offer from Caesars Palace on the day of the show ... too late for him to take advantage. "To add insult to injury, his e-mails and calls to Caesars seeking a partial refund or some other compensation have gone unanswered," the R-J added.
Dissatisfaction with Harrah’s has accelerated in the wake of its recent leveraged buyout. Wobbling beneath $24 billion in debt and kneecapped by the recession, Harrah’s has been in a cost-cutting mode. One such move was to start yanking IGT revenue-sharing games off the floor. Harrah’s rationalized its diminution of Wheel of Fortune machines by contending that the games weren’t popular, an assertion that failed the laugh test. (Wheel is famous as one of the most popular progressive machines, year in and year out.) Subsequently, at the 2008 Global Gaming Expo, Harrah’s CEO Gary Loveman tried a different tack, harrumphing that it was a better use of his company’s money to buy back distressed debt than to put it into new slot games.
A recent Las Vegas Sun story reported that dilution of customer service was part of the plan all along: "Their strategy was to boost the companies’ value through job cuts and other cost reductions and take the companies public again after a few years at a large profit." So, while patrons could expect a cut-rate version of the Harrah’s experience (such as the replacement of hot foot in premium-player lounges with cold chicken wings), the new owners would theoretically enjoy large profits. But buyers Apollo Management and Texas Pacific Group overestimated the health of the economy and the company’s strength, turning Harrah’s from a golden goose to a giant money-losing albatross.
Joe Fath, a portfolio manager for T. Rowe Price questioned the logic of private-equity buyouts. "Did these companies come in and make Harrah’s and Station [Casinos] better companies? Not really. In the case of Harrah’s," he told the Sun, "they have made things worse."
Perhaps Harrah’s most vocal critic has been Deutsche Bank analyst Andrew Zarnett. While gaming analysts tend to be circumspect, Zarnett has been harping on a refrain that he sounded for the Las Vegas Sun: "And while Harrah’s is working to cut costs to improve its finances, Zarnett is warning that Harrah’s may lose market share as customers defect to MGM Mirage properties and other competitors over customer service issues."
For instance, the Rio’s exterior paint job has been conspicuously peeling for years now, but Harrah’s won’t spring for a new coat to spruce the old gal up. "Phil," a reader of the Two Way Hard Three architecture blog, posted on July 5, "I stopped by a few days ago for the opening of the World Series of Poker as I’ve never taken in what that spectacle is and boy has Rio degraded. All the nice shops they used to have in the newer section were replaced with low level [sic] stores."
Members of the Seven Stars level of Total Rewards players who stay at Harrah’s Grand Biloxi were recently "offered" the chance to vacuum their own rooms with Robot Roomba® self-propelled cleaners. Less need for maids!
"Queen of Comps" Jean Scott, notes that "there have been recent cuts in how much your Reward Credits will ’buy’ ... I wouldn’t say [Harrah’s is] ’sweating points and comps’ -- they have just continuously cut things. Used to be hosts could give you ’off-account’ comps ... Now unless you are a super high roller, you have to use your points first and then maybe you will get extra comps ’off-account.’ And they do continually cut [video poker] paytables. This is a long complicated subject. I could write about it forever."
You can’t bet on Boston Celtics games at Harrah’s properties in Nevada? Because Loveman wanted to own a piece of the team. The NBA’s quid pro quo was the removal of Celtics games from Harrah’s sports books. Amazingly, a compliant Harrah’s board acquiesced.
Sun sports-betting columnist Jeff Haney (an occasional LVA contributor) dropped by the Harrah’s Las Vegas sports book on a fateful April 12, 2008, hoping to bet on three NBA games. After Hane’s money had been pocketed, supervisor Travis Strege seized the betting tickets and left. Two or three minutes later, he returned and told Haney all his bets had been voided. The reason? Strege "didn’t like the lines" on those games. (As Haney later explained to his readers, "casino officials were giving themselves the option of refusing bets on one side of the game while accepting bets on the other side.")
When that explanation didn’t wash with Haney, the Harrah’s official changed his story, saying the bets were nullified because "it’s near the end of the NBA season." Haney concluded, "If you’re a clueless sucker, don’t worry. Your action remains welcome at Harrah’s." His column did not go unnoticed at the Nevada Gaming Control Board, though, which took an interest in the case.
"Sometimes situations take place where perhaps the licensee [casino] doesn’t know the regulations that they think they’re enforcing or not enforcing," agent Paul Tucker told Haney, suggesting that Harrah’s might be about to receive some remedial education.
Random visits to Harrah’s Las Vegas and Caesars Palace ("Beer bottles everywhere," said an eyewitness) found the parking garages at both properties awash in trash, something rarely seen on the Strip. A player at Harrah’s Las Vegas reported the hotel was "disgusting here. It’s stinky and the room is not nice." Was it metaphorical that Harrah’s new general counsel was hired away from the garbage industry? You be the judge.
We haven’t even gotten into how Harrah’s got into trouble with Clark County for remodeling hotel rooms on the sly and out of compliance with fire-safety codes. But that’s a long saga.
While on the subject of complaints, however, we will take this opporutunity to post an email that we received from a reader who, far from complaining, wished to share an experience of excellent customer service that he had received from the Venetian:
"I wanted to post this someplace, but was not sure where - but it is a big enough deal
to me that I think something should be said. I booked tickets to see Wayne Brady - but I BOOKED THE WRONG MONTH (I have no idea how I goofed that up).
"To make matters worse, I didn’t realize it until the date had passed. I called up the Venetian show reservation desk, thinking, well, I have nothing to lose. These kind people were able to get my tickets switched to the right date without charging me anything more in the same section I paid for (I expected a penalty fee of some kind - I mean, I DID call after I missed the show). The two women there - Rhonda and May (I called twice) worked with me for 15-20 minutes for each call. My tickets will be waiting there when I arrive. A big thanks to them for saving me what would have been a $200 error."
Now, that’s what we call a happy ending!
 

FLASH1296

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#3
The skinny on HARRAHS

As a veteran Pro player I have experienced Caesars, et al, go through 5 or 6 changes of ownership.

With every change of ownership services, comps, and playing conditions have deteriorated.

Young folks are clueless as to how fine things were decades ago.

For young players who are not familiar with why Harrahs Entertainment is known to Pro players as the "Evil Empire", it is primarily because they are single-handedly responsible for degrading the game of Casino Blackjack by introducing reduced BJ payoffs, 8 deckers on The Strip. as well as H17 games outside of Reno and Downtown Las Vegas.

Harrahs dealers at some Atlantic City are set to go on strike this week.

For over 2 years Harrahs has refused to abide by labor law and negotiate with the union after dealers at Caesars A.C. voted 80%+ to unionize. Ballys A.C. is set to walk out as well. Whether Showboat and Harrahs dealers will walk out is unknown. Other casinos may strike in sympathy. As slots revenues have fallen sharply in the last year or two, casinos require higher profits from table games to make up the slack.

Gary Loveman, Harrahs' dog, has increased HIS earnings from something like 12 million dollars yearly (2007) to 97 million a year (current) -- while hours and benefits for employees are severely cut back and COMPS and services for US are severely reduced reduced.
 

daddybo

Well-Known Member
#4
I'm not crazy about Harrah's myself... I ended up in a town where a HET property was the only game in town. The BJ games were closer to carnival games. Bad Bad rules . The customer service was not good. But they did have some good alternative games.. I fared pretty well before it was over with.. played about 8 total hours... and to my surprise, (for the quarter action I was giving.. and contrary to what I've heard lately.. received some pretty decent comps including freeplay, room and food. But even these aren't enough to entice me to go there, due to the mostly poor games.
 
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FLASH1296 said:
...For young players who are not familiar with why Harrahs Entertainment is known to Pro players as the "Evil Empire", it is primarily because they are single-handedly responsible for degrading the game of Casino Blackjack by introducing reduced BJ payoffs, 8 deckers on The Strip. as well as H17 games outside of Reno and Downtown Las Vegas...
They definitely did take a shot at making 6:5 the standard for blackjack, to the point that I have met gamblers who believe that is the norm.

Fortunately they had enough competition that it never really took off, and 6:5 seems to be contracting rather than expanding, much like HET's hold on the market and ability to set its standards.
 

shadroch

Well-Known Member
#6
It's too bad Anthony didn't choose to look at Icahns ownership of the Sands in NJ.
HET is the largest player in the game, is it really a surprise they get the most complaints?
As far as Loveman increas8ing his salary from $12 million to $97 million, that was the result of Harrahs going private and forced sale of his stocks. It was not a salary increase. He had to settle all the options he'd earned over the last few years.
Harrahs is very very good to it's intended market, low to mid level slots players.
As far as WOF goes, Harrahs licenses the IGT games, it doesn't own them. IGT tried to demand an increase in it's fees, Harrahs tried to exert pressure as the biggest dog in the game and get a reduction in fees.
 

ihate17

Well-Known Member
#7
Just look at the posts of many new members

Automatic Monkey said:
They definitely did take a shot at making 6:5 the standard for blackjack, to the point that I have met gamblers who believe that is the norm.

Fortunately they had enough competition that it never really took off, and 6:5 seems to be contracting rather than expanding, much like HET's hold on the market and ability to set its standards.

I often reply to posts from newer members here who go to Vegas and then report that there seems to be nothing but 6/5 games, 8 deck shoes and H-17 in Vegas with a kind of sarcastic comment that they need to get out of HET owned casinos and open their eyes.
One of the marketing gimmicks that I think HET offers folks is somewhat better games back east and then they lure them to Vegas with a free stay and bury them in horrid games once in town. Most of these people feel really obligated to give HET their play because of the comp room, so their marketing plan works. We might influence a few of them, telling them to take the free room but stiff HET on their play.

ihate17
 
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ihate17 said:
I often reply to posts from newer members here who go to Vegas and then report that there seems to be nothing but 6/5 games, 8 deck shoes and H-17 in Vegas with a kind of sarcastic comment that they need to get out of HET owned casinos and open their eyes.
One of the marketing gimmicks that I think HET offers folks is somewhat better games back east and then they lure them to Vegas with a free stay and bury them in horrid games once in town. Most of these people feel really obligated to give HET their play because of the comp room, so their marketing plan works. We might influence a few of them, telling them to take the free room but stiff HET on their play.

ihate17
In every market HET usually has something worthwhile, you just have to find it. Hence my belief that all of us should be proficient in VP- most of their properties have playable VP offerings so for your comp value give them the machine play they are looking for, and take your BJ play elsewhere if they're not going to deal you a good game.
 

shadroch

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#9
As far as that goes, once you get on Harrahs marketing list, it's very hard to get off. I have spent a minimum of 15 nites in Vegas the last year or so and stiffed them almost every time. In 2008, I had a tier score in the low hundreds, and the offers kept coming. This year, my score is just over 1000 as I found an almost FP 50 play in Harrahs Laughlin. It was removed shortly after.
 

moo321

Well-Known Member
#10
Automatic Monkey said:
In every market HET usually has something worthwhile, you just have to find it. Hence my belief that all of us should be proficient in VP- most of their properties have playable VP offerings so for your comp value give them the machine play they are looking for, and take your BJ play elsewhere if they're not going to deal you a good game.
Yep
 

FLASH1296

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#11
After "stiffing" H E T (a lot) my status dropped so that I now am not getting the full R F B that I was. I even have to pay the room tax.
 

FLASH1296

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#13
I thought that it is acceptable practice ...

... if I give full credit to the author and the snippet is not extensive, and was
publicly available (without cost) then there is no ethical / legal violation on my part.
 

QFIT

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#14
Sorry, but that is not "fair use." You copied the entirety of the article. Fair use allows a snippet, generally for commentary. You also copied it specifically because the original will time out. But, that is the option of the owner. Anthony puts these comments up each day and it is a huge effort. The point is to drive traffic to his site for his advertisers. If you link to the page, then he gets his due for his effort.
 

shadroch

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QFIT said:
Sorry, but that is not "fair use." You copied the entirety of the article. Fair use allows a snippet, generally for commentary. You also copied it specifically because the original will time out. But, that is the option of the owner. Anthony puts these comments up each day and it is a huge effort. The point is to drive traffic to his site for his advertisers. If you link to the page, then he gets his due for his effort.


How would you have handled it if you wanted this information to reach this audience?
 

FLASH1296

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#16
Honestly, this presents itself as an ethical quandary.
Obviously, there are some situations where it is clear
where the line is drawn. I am unsure here. Probably I
am guilty to some minor degree, and I will be more
cautious in the future. Perhaps in a similar situation I
will absorb the substance of the text, and still crediting
the original source, summarize and present it for our friends.
 

QFIT

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#17
shadroch said:
How would you have handled it if you wanted this information to reach this audience?
Simple, link to the article. Anthony puts enormous effort into these daily posts on his site. He gets paid by advertising. Ads are based on hits. If you link, he gets the hits.
 

shadroch

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#18
QFIT said:
Simple, link to the article. Anthony puts enormous effort into these daily posts on his site. He gets paid by advertising. Ads are based on hits. If you link, he gets the hits.
But aren't you then taking revenue away from Mr Smith and this site? I'm leery of posting links that take anyone away from another persons site.
Unlike this site, the LVA has a paid subscriber base in the tens of thousands.
 

KenSmith

Administrator
Staff member
#19
Don't sweat the small stuff. If something elsewhere is interesting, by all means link to it.

I do agree that posting the article in its entirety is a problem. Can you edit and summarize Flash?

Linking to LVA's questions of the day is problematic I know, because the articles are only freely available on the day they are posted.

So, for LVA, summarize, credit, and probably link anyway with a note that the link won't work after one day.
 
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