Heat in PA?

[blackchipjim]

Have anyone else experienced heat when playing in the state? I recently was playing heads up for awhile in a Pa joint and the heat started to build after just a short while. When more players sat down it got worse which surprised me since it was just a lower limit table. I thought by now they would have relaxed a bit more since the spread never got to a level they should worry about. I guess a few surrender plays that worked out for me might have drew their ire.

 

[Sharky]

plz explain further what you experienced as 'heat'...maybe just paranoia...I see so many ridiculous plays in PA that, IMO, unless PC knows the count pretty hard to discern the difference

 

[geneticfreak]

There are definately some pretty horrible players in PA, to the point where surrender actually can make them believe you are bad player and don't deserve the attention. I've heard "table max" called out on the table next to me and that draws more attention than surrender or even a correct insurance call.

 

[Dyepaintball12]

My friend actually got backed off at Meadows.

 

[southAP]

My friend actually got backed off at Meadows.

Was your friend an AP or was he just winning too much? I ask because a friend of mine went to Sands opening weekend and played roulette and won about 1700. He went back the following weekend won about 200 and they backed him off of that.

 

[Dyepaintball12]

Was your friend an AP or was he just winning too much? I ask because a friend of mine went to Sands opening weekend and played roulette and won about 1700. He went back the following weekend won about 200 and they backed him off of that.

Oh he was an AP. If a casino tried to back me off for just winning to much, especially in a game like roulette I would flip my ****.

 

[1357111317]

Oh he was an AP. If a casino tried to back me off for just winning to much, especially in a game like roulette I would flip my ****.

I'd laugh my ass off at them. They are too stupid to realize that they are just taking 100 dollar bills and lighting them on fire. Id love to know how much money casinos lose from backing off people who win too much who are actually losers.

 

[pit15]

I got backed off at a PA store a few weeks after it opened.

They shuffled up on me when I dropped my bet from a big bet to table minimum, and then when the pit told the dealer to move the shoe up as he's cutting it, he cuts it deeper then they usually do as the pit is watching and the pit thinks it's being done right.

That was the definition of clueless right there.

 

[blackchipjim]

Heaters!

I know why they back off winners and not just aps. The reason is the pit critters are from other casinos and they have a point to make to their bosses. I know this for a fact because I played at the casinos they came from. Too bad because they weren't that good at their former places of employment. They don't know me but I know them and that's the most important thing for me.

 

[southAP]

See my friend wasnt an AP either, but he understood house edge and that he would be a long term loser. His exact words to the PB was " thank you, you just kept me from giving the thousands of dollars I won, back to you".he obviously made it sound like he won more than he did but made a valid point.

Oh he was an AP. If a casino tried to back me off for just winning to much, especially in a game like roulette I would flip my ****.

 

[aslan]

Was your friend an AP or was he just winning too much? I ask because a friend of mine went to Sands opening weekend and played roulette and won about 1700. He went back the following weekend won about 200 and they backed him off of that.

It's possible that wining the $1,700 got there attention even if he hit and ran. If such a win is brought to the attention of a good eye, he will review the tape and determine if the player was ramping up his bet as the count turned plus. If so, they will annotate his players card as "counter."

If the player did not use a card, they will use his best picture and add the "counter" note. Either way, that might explain being backed off so quickly the following week.

The only other explanation is that no one was watching the week before, and the following weekend they caught him right away ramping up as the count turned plus. That would indicate a really sweaty joint or they just got lucky.

BTW, did you know that Sands is owned by the Las Vegas Sands Corporation which owns the Venetian and the Palazzo in Vegas?

 

[southAP]

Well he wasnt counting, it was roulette, hes not much of a card player. Also, I didnt know about Sands CO. owning the other properties. Im not too familiar with property ownership, all I know is MGM properties and Harrahs entertainment, now Ceasars Entertainment.

It's possible that wining the $1,700 got there attention even if he hit and ran. If such a win is brought to the attention of a good eye, he will review the tape and determine if the player was ramping up his bet as the count turned plus. If so, they will annotate his players card as "counter."

If the player did not use a card, they will use his best picture and add the "counter" note. Either way, that might explain being backed off so quickly the following week.

The only other explanation is that no one was watching the week before, and the following weekend they caught him right away ramping up as the count turned plus. That would indicate a really sweaty joint or they just got lucky.

BTW, did you know that Sands is owned by the Las Vegas Sands Corporation which owns the Venetian and the Palazzo in Vegas?

 

[aslan]

Well he wasnt counting, it was roulette, hes not much of a card player. Also, I didnt know about Sands CO. owning the other properties. Im not too familiar with property ownership, all I know is MGM properties and Harrahs entertainment, now Ceasars Entertainment.

SO they backed him off at roulette? I have NEVER heard of that.

 

[Ferretnparrot]

My friend actually got backed off at Meadows.

I was at meadows once, the pit boss flat out asked me if I was counting, in about 5 minutes my powers of persuasion and cover betting sent her away and I play for 5 hours. Aside from that instance, no heat in pa

 

[pit15]

SO they backed him off at roulette? I have NEVER heard of that.

Doesn't surprise me. I heard of plenty of places that back people off for winning enough at blackjack or just for spreading randomly. Maybe the casino thinks the guy can predict the # the ball is going to land on so they better kick him out.

 

[southAP]

There could have been many reasons why they did couldve been they just kick out winners, or maybe they thoughy he was past posting but couldnt prove it. Either way, he still goes back and plays the other games.

 

[21forme]

Doesn't surprise me. I heard of plenty of places that back people off for winning enough at blackjack or just for spreading randomly. Maybe the casino thinks the guy can predict the # the ball is going to land on so they better kick him out.

People wonder how casinos can go bankrupt or lose money. This is a perfect example. They need management who understand the math behind the games.

In the early days of Trump Plaza, there was a whale playing Baccarat at 50 or 100K per hand. The Donald happened to be there and was watching the play. After the ploppy was up about $2M, The Donald told the shift manager to cut the table max to $10K per hand. The player was very upset, stormed out with his $2M, and vowed never to play there again. He took his money next door to Caesars and gave it all back, plus some.

 

[aslan]

There could have been many reasons why they did couldve been they just kick out winners, or maybe they thoughy he was past posting but couldnt prove it. Either way, he still goes back and plays the other games.

A quick look at the video tape would acquit him of past posting. Absent evidence of a biased wheel, the sensible thing for a casino to do with a roulette player who is winning is to let him continue. The house advantage is more than twice a card counter's advantage, and like card counting, the more play, the faster the house reaches the long run.

 

[alwayssplitaces]

A quick look at the video tape would acquit him of past posting. Absent evidence of a biased wheel, the sensible thing for a casino to do with a roulette player who is winning is to let him continue. The house advantage is more than twice a card counter's advantage, and like card counting, the more play, the faster the house reaches the long run.

The best thing for the casino to do in that case is to give him a suite any time. Roulette can't be beaten unless the wheel is biased significantly enough to overcome the house edge.

 

[pit15]

A quick look at the video tape would acquit him of past posting. Absent evidence of a biased wheel, the sensible thing for a casino to do with a roulette player who is winning is to let him continue. The house advantage is more than twice a card counter's advantage, and like card counting, the more play, the faster the house reaches the long run.

And if you find evidence of a biased wheel you don't kick someone out. You close the table until you replace the wheel.

I can't believe Donald would run off a high roller like that. How dumb is the guy? Oh wait. All his casinos are bankrupt