Heat on 6/5 tables

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UK-21

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Another (probably silly) question:

Have read lots of views and opinions on attracting "heat", how to avoid it and what to do (and not do) when it arrives.

Do the 6/5 tables suffer all of this, or is it the case that because the odds are so relatively weighted in favour of the house, players at these tables are of no concern and don't draw any attention? Presumably anyone who looks to earn a crust from playing avoids these tables like the plague and so it would be a waste of the house's time looking for counters there?

Does anyone play 6/5 in order to cloak their real abilities and alay suspicion for when they play a normal table?

From lots read, it would seem that anyone betting $25 or more per hand from the start, and varying the amount of their bets, can expect to be put under a microscope? Can any UK member comment on conditions in UK casinos?

Sorry, about four questions here.

Newb99
 
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21forme

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Bad idea

Does anyone play 6/5 in order to cloak their real abilities and alay suspicion for when they play a normal table?


Don't back yourself off.
 
moo321

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If they're single deck, I would guess you can still get heat. I've never played them, though. Well I did on accident one time; wonged into a SHOE, caught a blackjack, and got paid 6 to 5. A freakin' shoe!
 
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InPlay

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moo321 said:
If they're single deck, I would guess you can still get heat. I've never played them, though. Well I did on accident one time; wonged into a SHOE, caught a blackjack, and got paid 6 to 5. A freakin' shoe!
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Very observent.
 
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mdlbj

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Plaiyng at lower stakes, you are not drawing any heat. At a 6/5 table and they see you trying to count; they are now open for business with this type of action. Their doppler is wide open looking for wannabe counters. Its a gold mine with fat bleeding veins.

newb99 said:
Another (probably silly) question:

Have read lots of views and opinions on attracting "heat", how to avoid it and what to do (and not do) when it arrives.

Do the 6/5 tables suffer all of this, or is it the case that because the odds are so relatively weighted in favour of the house, players at these tables are of no concern and don't draw any attention? Presumably anyone who looks to earn a crust from playing avoids these tables like the plague and so it would be a waste of the house's time looking for counters there?

Does anyone play 6/5 in order to cloak their real abilities and alay suspicion for when they play a normal table?

From lots read, it would seem that anyone betting $25 or more per hand from the start, and varying the amount of their bets, can expect to be put under a microscope? Can any UK member comment on conditions in UK casinos?

Sorry, about four questions here.

Newb99
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moo321

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InPlay said:
Very observent.
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I just had no category in my mind for the possibility that someone would pay 6 to 5 on a shoe. It's like being in a poker game, and going all in with quads, only to discover they have wild cards in this game.
 
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moo321 said:
I just had no category in my mind for the possibility that someone would pay 6 to 5 on a shoe. It's like being in a poker game, and going all in with quads, only to discover they have wild cards in this game.
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Were you drunk ?
 
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rukus

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moo321 said:
Nope. Totally sober. Just thought the shoes were all 3 to 2. I hadn't even read about 6 to 5 on shoes here, or I might have checked.
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at least you made sure it wasnt a sp21 table. i would love to see a very drunk wannabe newb (not implying that you are!) backcount a War or 3 card stud table, jump in with a bet and realize he was backcounting the wrong game :joker:
 
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callipygian

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moo321 said:
Nope. Totally sober. Just thought the shoes were all 3 to 2. I hadn't even read about 6 to 5 on shoes here, or I might have checked.
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The exact same happened to me, except that I wasn't the first person to get a BJ at the table after sitting down, so I escaped. It just never occured to me that 6:5 might be applied to shoe games on the Las Vegas Strip.
 
ihate17

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No 6/5 on the strip except a few Harrah owned places

callipygian said:
The exact same happened to me, except that I wasn't the first person to get a BJ at the table after sitting down, so I escaped. It just never occured to me that 6:5 might be applied to shoe games on the Las Vegas Strip.
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For overall blackjack, one should avoid casinos owned by Harrah's. There is still a few playable games at Caesars but the rest of their games are poor to the worst in the world. O'Sheas, for instance will pay you 6/5 on even an 8 deck shoe. Bikini, party, entertainer type pits usually pay you 6/5 on 6 deck shoes.
Basically, Harrah's detests table games, especially blackjack with its low house edge and high overhead of dealers and pit etc.

So my advice is play blackjack elsewhere. The best 6 deck shoes in all of Vegas are found on the strip at many casinos for minimums as low as $10 or as high as $100, they can be found at Mandalay Bay, MGM, Tropicana, Monte Carlo, Veneitian, Mirage, Belaggio, Wynn, Caesars and a few other places, but all of them except Caesars are non HET.

ihate17
 
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callipygian

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ihate17 said:
For overall blackjack, one should avoid casinos owned by Harrah's.
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Yeah, actually, seeing the 6:5 shoe game was the first time I realized there was a difference between MGM-Mirage and Harrah's.

For laughs, drop by the Pussycat Dolls Lounge at Caesar's (just outside of the poker room / Pure). The game was laughable - H17, double 10,11 only, nDAS. The words were actually so crowded on the felt that they probably couldn't have added another bad rule unless they put up a sign. I was walking by one night and saw a +10 running count on a table (5 or 6 deck shoe). Instinctively, I reached into my pocket for cash to Wong in, but then I saw the rules and thought, "holy [undisclosed adjective], do I even have an advantage?" and walked away.
 
ihate17

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Similar story from my niece

callipygian said:
Yeah, actually, seeing the 6:5 shoe game was the first time I realized there was a difference between MGM-Mirage and Harrah's.

For laughs, drop by the Pussycat Dolls Lounge at Caesar's (just outside of the poker room / Pure). The game was laughable - H17, double 10,11 only, nDAS. The words were actually so crowded on the felt that they probably couldn't have added another bad rule unless they put up a sign. I was walking by one night and saw a +10 running count on a table (5 or 6 deck shoe). Instinctively, I reached into my pocket for cash to Wong in, but then I saw the rules and thought, "holy [undisclosed adjective], do I even have an advantage?" and walked away.
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I have a neice who is an excellent advantage player, had an important position with a casino, used to live in Vegas but is now out of both the casino business and Vegas.
Anyway, some old college buddies were getting together in Vegas and happened to be staying at the infamous locals casino where all locals are smart enough to never go to, The Rio. This was when the Rio had their bikini pit where blackjack paid a whoppin 1/1 from a shoe. She sees on of her male friends playing $100 a hand on this rip off game and in a voice loud enough for others to hear she gives him a math lesson. You know, you should get about 4 naturals per hour and they are shorting you $50 per, so you are paying $200 per hour for view (the dealer in the bikini) which might be better at the pool for free. Guess she was loud enough because after she convinced her friend to leave, as they were walking around the casino getting their group together, she is 86d from the place and told she caused a disturbance.
She did happen to mention while at the table that it was surely the worst odds of any blackjack game in the world, a few other players left after she did and I do not think (it probably did not matter) the dealer appreciated the comment about the view being better elsewhere.

Once her friends left town the first thing she had to do was call me. She had been backed off of blackjack before but it was her first 86. I told her that she should have been tossed though. That she is not just another visitor to the Rio, though Rio folks probably did not know this, she was at that time a middle management type employee for a competitor and friend or no friend the public conversation was out of line, but job well done.

The other side of the HET story is that I have found weak pits and dealers quite common. You might find a 6/5 pitch game where you can read the dealer's hole card most of the time. Weak pits work both ways. Since they do not know what they are doing you might be able to get away with a lot but once you are winning and they do not have the knowledge to figure things out, lucky ploppies can get backed off beside cardcounters.

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