Hitting the tables

[BillytheBJkid]

Ok guys. Been reading card counting book, practicing all summer with the Revere count and reading this site and am now ready to begin my blackjack career. I live an hour outside of Atlantic city, so will be playing mostly there.

I am planning on only playing the $5 tables and spreading $5 up to $20 when the count gets good. I am going to sit out negative counts to improve my winnings. I have a BR of $1000, which is 200 units. Wish me luck. Will keep ya posted of the results

 

[rocksolid68]

Best of luck

Happy counting Billy

 

[rollem411]

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I am planning on only playing the $5 table

There are probably only 1 or 2 casinos that offer $5 tables during regular hours and they are always packed with people waiting to jump in. You will need to hit the tables very early in the morning for $5...and probably have to wait another month or 2 when it starts getting colder for this to happen.

Also, you need to tweak your game plan...you will probably be losing money in the long run between gas, tolls, and parking fees in relation to you hr. win rate.

 

[kewljason]

Rollem411 is correct Billy, there are only a very few casinos in AC that still offer $5 BJ. To the best of my knowledge Borgata has a $5 table at most times and Showboat did as well, although it's been a while since I've even passed through showboat so that may have changed. There may be a couple casinos that offer $5 blackjack in the weekday morning from 6am till about 11am or noon and then they raise to $10.

Sitting out negative counts is pretty hard to do whn there are so few tables ($5) that are available to you. Also a $5-$20 spread may put you into slightly possitive EV if you sit out negative hands, but you will not make much money. Maybe $1 or two an hour. Your Bankroll is not really enough for these games either as general rule is you should have 100 large bets, which in your case would be $2000, so you will be playing with a relatively high Risk of Ruin (possibility of tapping out completely)

I would sugguest you continue to practice, save and build your bankroll prior to beginning you "blackjack career". I hope you were using that term humorously and not really planning on making a career out of blackjack. It's pretty hard to do.

 

[BillytheBJkid]

Rollem411 is correct Billy, there are only a very few casinos in AC that still offer $5 BJ. To the best of my knowledge Borgata has a $5 table at most times and Showboat did as well, although it's been a while since I've even passed through showboat so that may have changed. There may be a couple casinos that offer $5 blackjack in the weekday morning from 6am till about 11am or noon and then they raise to $10.

Sitting out negative counts is pretty hard to do whn there are so few tables ($5) that are available to you. Also a $5-$20 spread may put you into slightly possitive EV if you sit out negative hands, but you will not make much money. Maybe $1 or two an hour. Your Bankroll is not really enough for these games either as general rule is you should have 100 large bets, which in your case would be $2000, so you will be playing with a relatively high Risk of Ruin (possibility of tapping out completely)

I would sugguest you continue to practice, save and build your bankroll prior to beginning you "blackjack career". I hope you were using that term humorously and not really planning on making a career out of blackjack. It's pretty hard to do.

What are you some kind of card counting expert or something?? Have you won a million dollars? And you know every blackjack table in Atlantic City??

I am going by a book about treating blackjack like a business that was written by a professional card counter. He states that a 1-4 spread is all that is necessary to win and that 200 units is a sufficent bankroll. I'll take his advise over some want-a-be card counter any day.

By the way, I don't think you are as "cool" as you think you are.

 

[daddybo]

What are you some kind of card counting expert or something?? Have you won a million dollars? And you know every blackjack table in Atlantic City??

I am going by a book about treating blackjack like a business that was written by a professional card counter. He states that a 1-4 spread is all that is necessary to win and that 200 units is a sufficent bankroll. I'll take his advise over some want-a-be card counter any day.

By the way, I don't think you are as "cool" as you think you are.

Wisdom is knowing the limits of your knowledge... Have Fun and good luck.

 

[Sonny]

I am going by a book about treating blackjack like a business that was written by a professional card counter. He states that a 1-4 spread is all that is necessary to win and that 200 units is a sufficent bankroll.

You're not talking about Revere are you? That book is almost 40 years old. It was written for single-deck games with good penetration, not 8D games with bad penetration. A more up-to-date book, like Blackjack Attack, will give you much more accurate betting strategies and bankroll requirements for current conditions. Most games require at least 600-800 units to have a reasonable RoR and a 1-16 spread (1-8 with Wonging) for a decent advantage. Overbetting your bankroll is guaranteed to bankrupt you even if you have an advantage.

So playing at the $5 tables will earn about $3-$7 per hour if you can get a seat and sit out negative hands (both of which you received some very helpful advice about). That doesn’t leave much of a profit margin, if any, after expenses.

We're trying to help you here.

-Sonny-

 

[FLASH1296]

You have read a book first published in 1969 - that we all have in our libraries -- Playing B J as a business

Many people have demonized Revere as a huckster, crook, liar, thief, etc. There is no need to add to that fund of folklore. I will say that a 4-1 spread is not profitable at a 6 or 8 deck BJ game, but one can understand how an author who is trying to sell his books might take liberties with the truth.

While the Revere Point Count is certainly a fine count to use in shoe games, the few $5 tables that one can (sometimes) find in A.C. are all 8 decks and may have the dealer hitting Soft 17. Penetration will be unlikely to be even 75%.

To beat that game you will need to spread, at the very least, 8-1 ($5-$40) and your (expected) earnings will be perhaps 1 unit per hour. That is far less than minimum wage. Pointless as it is still work and you may very well lose all of your money, as that is what happens to most eager neophyte Card Counter newbies.

Note that your "Risk of Ruin" will probably be around 45% without a bankroll of perhaps $4,000; meaning that you are perhaps a 6 to 5 favorite to [eventually] double your bankroll before you go broke.

Incidentally Revere's book does not give accurate indices for 8 deck BJ games.

You have a lot to learn. Be patient. Study some other (21st century) authors.
Stick around here without insulting those who are only the bearer of bad tidings.

If you want to "gamble" and maybe go broke then go ahead. That is your choice.

 

[kewljason]

What are you some kind of card counting expert or something?? Have you won a million dollars? And you know every blackjack table in Atlantic City??

I am going by a book about treating blackjack like a business that was written by a professional card counter. He states that a 1-4 spread is all that is necessary to win and that 200 units is a sufficent bankroll. I'll take his advise over some want-a-be card counter any day.

By the way, I don't think you are as "cool" as you think you are.

No I haven't won a million dollars. And No I don't think I'm some kind of expert. Far from it. I visit this site, and several others daily as I am always looking to increase my knowledge to make my game stronger. As far as AC, I play and scout very regularly and think I have a pretty good idea of what casino's have to offer, although admittedly I am not really on the lookout for low limit games, but rather better penetration.

As Sonny and Flash have both stated, you are referencing a 40 year old book written primarily for single deck blackjack. The Author also is notoriously famous for giving misleading bet spread and bankroll numbers. Not that PBJaaB isn't a good reference. It is, but there are newer books better suited for the game you are attempting to play. I concer with sonny that Blackjack attack 3 might be a better choice or recent work by Norm Wattenberger, Modern Blackjack, which is available online at Qfit.com

Even better than books is the knowledge and experience of a number of what I do consider expert counters that frequent this board. They are very generous with thier knowledge, which could fill a hundred books, and their experiences could fill numerous lifetimes. And the best part is they are here free of charge, so lose your "attitude" and you might learn something.

 

[johndoe]

What are you some kind of card counting expert or something?? Have you won a million dollars? And you know every blackjack table in Atlantic City??

I am going by a book about treating blackjack like a business that was written by a professional card counter. He states that a 1-4 spread is all that is necessary to win and that 200 units is a sufficent bankroll. I'll take his advise over some want-a-be card counter any day.

By the way, I don't think you are as "cool" as you think you are.

You'd be well advised to take the advice of these folks, kiddo. They are absolutely right, and you are rather misinformed. But hey, it's your money. Ignore this good advice at your own peril.

 

[shadroch]

It's guys like this that keep me buying casino stocks.

 

[psyduck]

What are you some kind of card counting expert or something?? Have you won a million dollars? And you know every blackjack table in Atlantic City??

I am going by a book about treating blackjack like a business that was written by a professional card counter. He states that a 1-4 spread is all that is necessary to win and that 200 units is a sufficent bankroll. I'll take his advise over some want-a-be card counter any day.

By the way, I don't think you are as "cool" as you think you are.

I strongly suggest that you be polite and show some basic respect to people who try to help you. Kewjason has been supporting himself by playing BJ alone. What is your bragging right?

 

[shiznites]

This thread demonstrates to me what I've been reading so much about: young, ambitious counters thinking they know everything, running to the casinos and going broke.

If theres anything I learned in the past 3 months of studying: patience is a virtue. You can't rush this.

 

[bjcount]

Ok guys. Been reading card counting book, practicing all summer with the Revere count and reading this site and am now ready to begin my blackjack career. I live an hour outside of Atlantic city, so will be playing mostly there.

I am planning on only playing the $5 tables and spreading $5 up to $20 when the count gets good. I am going to sit out negative counts to improve my winnings. I have a BR of $1000, which is 200 units. Wish me luck. Will keep ya posted of the results

You've heard from the rest.... now hear from the best.
ummm.. that's not me, but they will come around.

Revere was good in his time.. those times are gone.
If your using RPC, the indices are a bit different for 8d so look around this site you'll find the correct ones to use. Learn from his methods but not from his numbers, they no longer apply.

Listen to what everyone said before me, because not a single post was incorrect. If that $1,000 BR means the world to you, leave it in the bank and keep studying and saving.

If you read that book, well here is what you forgot:

1) only play good games - AC $5min games will be closest to the worst there is
2) only play with good players - At $5 tables you will be playing with some of the worst
3) dont play at crowded tables - I wouldn't expect anything but crowded conditions.

So already you broke three of the most important rules and you haven't laid a bet yet.

Keep practicing, keep reading.. and keep asking questions.

Your not ready yet.

Good luck, because like all good young adults, they never listen to their elders, and you'll be in AC tomorrow thinking you know it all.

BJC

 

[ycming]

What are you some kind of card counting expert or something?? Have you won a million dollars? And you know every blackjack table in Atlantic City??

I am going by a book about treating blackjack like a business that was written by a professional card counter. He states that a 1-4 spread is all that is necessary to win and that 200 units is a sufficent bankroll. I'll take his advise over some want-a-be card counter any day.

By the way, I don't think you are as "cool" as you think you are.

Drop the attitude and listen.

Ming

 

[creeping panther]

!!!!

Good Lord!!!:laugh::laugh:

CP

 

[StandardDeviant]

I am going by a book about treating blackjack like a business that was written by a professional card counter. He states that a 1-4 spread is all that is necessary to win and that 200 units is a sufficent bankroll. I'll take his advise over some want-a-be card counter any day.

By the way, I don't think you are as "cool" as you think you are.

You should get a sim and learn a little bit more about EV, RoR, and spread relationships.

You should also learn to control your emotions. You'll need that at the table too.

Good luck. You'll need it.

 

[kewljason]

Good Lord!!!:laugh::laugh:

CP

A man of few words. lol but in this case, I think you hit it right on the head.

 

[Thunder]

billy,
I seriously suggest you learn some manners. As it is, you've made a total ass out of yourself not knowing at all that yes Kewl is a card counter and a much better one than you to say the least. You won't find any playable $5 games in AC as others have mentioned. You can try some of the $10 games but you are taking a big chance with that kind of a bankroll.

 

[BillytheBJkid]

good old boys club?

Seems like you guys all know each other.

Went on my first counting trip last night to atlantic city and played at trump mahal. There were no $5 tables, so I played $10 table and raised up to $15, $20, $25 and finally $30. Played for about three hours and won $100, so I guess Revere was right and kewljayson was wrong and you can still win with a small spreading amount. I was ahead almost $200 but quit after a bad spell that gave some back. One thing I didn't get was Ihad a 18 and the dealer had a Ace and 6 which should have been 17 and he should stay acording to my book, but he took another card which was a 2 for 19. Isn't the dealer suppossed to stay on 17?