Might of been just luck of the dealers but I was getting between 1 1/4 and 1.5 pen at Horseshoe last couple days. I know its not the best but decent compared to what they usually do. Here are their rules Caesars Louis 13 .33 6 1.9 50 10000 s17,ds,ls,nms,cs That is an older CBJN but they now offer $25 Min shoe game. Also offer a 25 DD Pitch game but not sure of the rules I'm sure their not that great. Also, they are allowing midshoe entry now.