I have been playing for a little while now and have basic strategy down to a t. I am starting to work on a counting a little bit but thats besides the point. I have noticed while going to the casinos that the majority of the times I go I either sit at a table where I get really good cards for the most part even after going through multiple shoes or I get really bad cards most of the time regardless of how many shoes I go through. Does this happen normally? are there some tables that are really just hot for a while and others that arent? and if so how would one go about finding the hotter tables instead of the cold ones?
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There might be something valid behind it, although I am sure I'll get lynched for even thinking about it.
Shuffles are not completely random, and perhaps a shoe can get a player bias (or dealer bias...) that stays for several shuffles. Ploppies often notice this, especially on ASM games "Boy, those red cards are a lot better than them blue ones!"
A lot of people here will say this is voodoo, and it very well might be. But I won't fully discount that it is possible.
Shuffles are not completely random, and perhaps a shoe can get a player bias (or dealer bias...) that stays for several shuffles. Ploppies often notice this, especially on ASM games "Boy, those red cards are a lot better than them blue ones!"
A lot of people here will say this is voodoo, and it very well might be. But I won't fully discount that it is possible.
The concepts of card clumping and player biases have been analyzed many times.
http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/content/random.htm
http://www2.inxpress.net/grinder/articles/Cardcounting/CRDCLUMP.HTM (Archive copy)
http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/content/manvscom.htm
Wong also discusses more of his findings in Professional BJ and Blackjack World (June and October 1983 issues). Steve Forte has a great section on the randomness of casino shuffles in his Game Protection book as well. Here's a link to an old discussion we had about a year ago:
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?p=60116
It’s a very interesting topic, but it just isn’t exploitable in the way that most people say it is.
-Sonny-
http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/content/random.htm
http://www2.inxpress.net/grinder/articles/Cardcounting/CRDCLUMP.HTM (Archive copy)
http://www.blackjackforumonline.com/content/manvscom.htm
Wong also discusses more of his findings in Professional BJ and Blackjack World (June and October 1983 issues). Steve Forte has a great section on the randomness of casino shuffles in his Game Protection book as well. Here's a link to an old discussion we had about a year ago:
http://www.blackjackinfo.com/bb/showthread.php?p=60116
It’s a very interesting topic, but it just isn’t exploitable in the way that most people say it is.
-Sonny-
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As many people here will agree there are times when you get on a table and whatever you do you just get beaten up by the dealer constantly making hands. There has been a lot of discussion on this subect as has been mentioned, but no methods have been documented which would enable you to be able to identify which tables you should choose.
It does seem like Voodoo, and i'm certain if you play through the negative variance in the end all will be good and right again. However when you are getting hammered and there is an alternative table available and you can continue to put your hours in there, then i see no harm in moving instead of banging you head against a wall. You can't predict if the new table will run any better only hindsight will tell you that.
I have been in this situation and swapped tables and managed to walk out winning, but who knows, if i had stayed put i might have won even more.
I have also swapped tables and continued to get my ass kicked you never can tell what will happen.
T.
It does seem like Voodoo, and i'm certain if you play through the negative variance in the end all will be good and right again. However when you are getting hammered and there is an alternative table available and you can continue to put your hours in there, then i see no harm in moving instead of banging you head against a wall. You can't predict if the new table will run any better only hindsight will tell you that.
I have been in this situation and swapped tables and managed to walk out winning, but who knows, if i had stayed put i might have won even more.
I have also swapped tables and continued to get my ass kicked you never can tell what will happen.
T.
Neither the table nor the cards know
Neither the table nor the cards know if they are hot or not.
If things were somehow set up perfectly for the house by a magical shuffle then one hit when the house thought you were not supposed to hit, one subtracted or added hand, one player leaving or entering the table or really anything else, would now take that magical set up and throw it out of whack.
It is just variance. Right now the dealer is getting the best cards and the table is cold. That can change on the next hand or not no matter what anyone does. It all means nothing unless you let it effect how you play.
People are always searching for the hot table in the casino. Tons of times I will be playing heads up with a dealer and if I win several in a row other players will appear out of nowhere to share my good fortune. (Positive count I ask them to wait, negative count I welcome them to the table).
ihate17
Neither the table nor the cards know if they are hot or not.
If things were somehow set up perfectly for the house by a magical shuffle then one hit when the house thought you were not supposed to hit, one subtracted or added hand, one player leaving or entering the table or really anything else, would now take that magical set up and throw it out of whack.
It is just variance. Right now the dealer is getting the best cards and the table is cold. That can change on the next hand or not no matter what anyone does. It all means nothing unless you let it effect how you play.
People are always searching for the hot table in the casino. Tons of times I will be playing heads up with a dealer and if I win several in a row other players will appear out of nowhere to share my good fortune. (Positive count I ask them to wait, negative count I welcome them to the table).
ihate17