How do "5 card charlies" and Jokers change BS?

TheReach

Active Member
#1
Just been watching Celebrity BJ and they use some pretty unusual rules - 5 card charlie = win and if you draw a Joker you get to replace it with any of the unplayed cards on the table including the dealers. Must help the player rather than the house I guess (else it would be more widely used) but what is the advantage? How does it affect BS and are these rules used anywhere else?

Cheers

The Reach

Ps. How many times has "Hollywood" Dave Stan (spelling?) been assulted in a casino?
 

KenSmith

Administrator
Staff member
#2
According to Wong's Basic Blackjack, 5-card automatic winner adds 1.4% for the player.

The appropriate changes to strategy are complex.

Wong also says that adding one joker per deck is worth 4.2%, if you can make it any card. I don't know how many they added to the six decks on CBJ, and they also restrict your ability to change it to another visible card.
 
#3
Celebrity Blackjack

The 5-card Charlie rule definately helps the player, and when i was shooting Celeb BJ i think i knew many of the basic variations to BS, but can't seem to recall now... basically it involves hitting on many 4-card totals you would normally stand on, like certain 17s and all soft totals. Obviously knowing the count enters in to these calculations as well, and as Ken said, things can get kinda complex rather than there being a hard-and-fast rule.

The Joker was much more interesting, as often the use of this option had less to do with improving your OWN hand & more to do with screwing up someone ELSE's... just like in standard tournament blackjack, there are many times when you are taking the low on a competitor who has a large bet out...even if you were dealt a crappy hand here, if you receive the joker it would be in your best interest to try and ruin the blackjack or hard 19/20 of your opponent even if taking this card still leaves you with a bad total...for this reason its almost impossible to calculate the true value of these Jokers, since they have less to do with your mathematical edge over the house & more to do with the much more subjective realm of pure tournament strategy.

As for how many times i've been accosted in a casino -- been shown the door more than once, but never gotten into a fight over it -- though admittedly from watching me on TV i can understand how that may be a hard fact to believe! ;)

rock on -

-holly d.
 
#4
Hollywood said:
The 5-card Charlie rule definately helps the player, and when i was shooting Celeb BJ i think i knew many of the basic variations to BS, but can't seem to recall now... basically it involves hitting on many 4-card totals you would normally stand on, like certain 17s and all soft totals. Obviously knowing the count enters in to these calculations as well, and as Ken said, things can get kinda complex rather than there being a hard-and-fast rule.

The Joker was much more interesting, as often the use of this option had less to do with improving your OWN hand & more to do with screwing up someone ELSE's... just like in standard tournament blackjack, there are many times when you are taking the low on a competitor who has a large bet out...even if you were dealt a crappy hand here, if you receive the joker it would be in your best interest to try and ruin the blackjack or hard 19/20 of your opponent even if taking this card still leaves you with a bad total...for this reason its almost impossible to calculate the true value of these Jokers, since they have less to do with your mathematical edge over the house & more to do with the much more subjective realm of pure tournament strategy.

As for how many times i've been accosted in a casino -- been shown the door more than once, but never gotten into a fight over it -- though admittedly from watching me on TV i can understand how that may be a hard fact to believe! ;)
Are you the guy who made out with the transvestite on the Golden Nugget reality show in 2004? zg
 

KenSmith

Administrator
Staff member
#9
"Hollywood" Dave Stann finished in 2nd place in the World Series of Blackjack 2004. He was the dealer on Celebrity Blackjack, and he has appeared on quite a few other gambling shows as well.

Just last week, he was eliminated from contention on Spike TV's "King of Vegas", leaving only 3 players fighting for the $1 million first place prize.

While the on-air antics of "Hollywood" make him the guy viewers love to hate, off-air Dave is a nice guy, and darned sharp as well.

Dave and I have fought each other on the same televised tournament table several times, including the final table of WSOB 2004, where I finished sixth. The upcoming Ultimate Blackjack Tour will also highlight an epic battle between us, and Dave is one of only three players to be included in all three of the WSOB seasons to date. The other two are myself and Ken Einiger.

Whether you love to hate him, or hate to love him, Dave's all right.
 
#10
aw, shucks...

...now you've gone and made me *blush* over here, kenny. you truly are one of the coolest -- and classiest -- people i've had the privilege of knowing in the blackjack community. and a damn tough competitor as well!

thanks for the love, boss --

-hd.
 
#13
KenSmith said:
"Hollywood" Dave Stann finished in 2nd place in the World Series of Blackjack 2004. He was the dealer on Celebrity Blackjack, and he has appeared on quite a few other gambling shows as well.
Hey, there he is! zg

 
#14
Don't get me wrong Hollywood, I don't want to assualt you, nor do I want anybody else to do so! I'm new to BJ and I always thought that whilst the game was exciting to play unless you counted cards, had plenty of time and the conditions were right you were always going to be a loser (I live in the UK where casinos are few and far between, those that do exist have about 2 BJ tables and so far my enquiries about playing conditions have been met with blank stares and/or a certain amount of suspicion) . I wasn't aware of Tournament BJ until I happend to tune into Challenge TV (UK satellite TV channel) when Celeb BJ was on and got hooked. I realised there was a way to play BJ where the house didn't have the advantage and a full range of skills could be called into play. I then found WSOB on the Poker Channel and got sucked in further and found myself here and on Global Player (when, oh when will there be more online tourneys?). BJ (and Poker for that matter) can be quite boring to watch unless there are a few personalities playing to liven it up like yourself. I enjoy watching BJ especially when you are on *gush* but I bet it's really difficult to play at the same table as you whilst being coffee-housed, and based on what I've read in other posts on this site I'm suprised that people don't turn to violence!!:) If playing BS can often cause derision at the table what does your flamboyant style do to these hot-heads?

Look forward to more WSOB on the telly, seeing you as celeb dealer on Celeb BJ, many more online BJ tourney sites, BJ tourneys coming to the UK, and just more BJ!!

Cheers
 
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