How do casinos find out abount hidden computers?

positiveEV

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#1
Let's say you have a hidden earphone that's invisible to others and that you also have a very small camera on you that will transmit images to someone else that will analyze the situation, how will the casino find out about it? I mean it's not that hard to do it and it seems like a good plan, yet not many people risk themselves at that kind of practices, so there must be a good reason.

If nobody can see it and you can hide it very well, how will the casino find out about your technology devices?
 
#4
my friend read your post and attempted your proposition.... it did not go as planned... he once again was savagely beaten within an inch of his life. not a good idea
 

supercoolmancool

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#5
Wow that was really fast. I actually don't believe that. Your friend was so moved by his post that he build/bought a device in like 1 hour and went to a casino, was caught and severly beaten all in such a tiny time frame. I just don't buy that.
 

positiveEV

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#6
renegadexxxx said:
my friend read your post and attempted your proposition.... it did not go as planned... he once again was savagely beaten within an inch of his life. not a good idea
Damn, all that within 3 hours after I posted?
 

ScottH

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#8
renegadexxxx said:
my friend read your post and attempted your proposition.... it did not go as planned... he once again was savagely beaten within an inch of his life. not a good idea
So you have a friend that waits for only illegal methods and literally JUMPS on the oppurtunity within an hour and continually gets beaten within an inch of his life? Haha, you cant make this up... is a good line here.
 

halcyon1234

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#9
asiafever said:
Let's say you have a hidden earphone that's invisible to others and that you also have a very small camera on you that will transmit images to someone else that will analyze the situation, how will the casino find out about it? I mean it's not that hard to do it and it seems like a good plan, yet not many people risk themselves at that kind of practices, so there must be a good reason.

If nobody can see it and you can hide it very well, how will the casino find out about your technology devices?
Just off the top of my head:

1) You are working with a microcomputer. The Casinos don't have to be subtle. They have big fucking massive computers watching everything that happens-- and those computers are playing every hand that they are fed. They play those hands computer perfect, including perfect compositional strategy. If you start playing like the computer, consistantly, then they know.

2) You said "transmits". If the reciever is nearby, you have to use a narrow band of frequencies that aren't blocked, jammed, in use or unusable. The casino just has to listen for chatter on those frequencies, and then triangulate the player. If the computer is really far away, you're using power something fierece-- and again on specific frequncies (some of which might even be monitored by the FCC). If they hear REALLY LOUD CHATTER on those bands-- same as above.

3) Earpieces aren't invisible, even the best of them. They're NEARLY invisible, especially to those not looking for them. The casinos are looking for them. If they have cameras that can zoom in well enough to make out scratches on a playing card, they can see in your ear. They can also see the camera gizmos attached to your sunglasses.

4) You aren't the first, and won't be the last person to try a viable, wearable computer. They know what already exists, they've seen a bunch of them, and I'm sure they have consultants who tell them what a new wearable computer could look like. The big casinos have the billions to burn on R&D like that. And the sweatshops that can't afford it will just bounce you for winning, period.

That said, I think the casinos are going to have a harder and harder time detecting the wearable computer. Right now the average iPod micronanofuckingsmall edition has more computer power in it than most computers built before 1990. With computers getting smaller and more powerful all the time, there will come a time when a computer won't need to transmit data to a supercomputer off site. They'll also be small enough to fit into a wristwatch, let's say. But it isn't the computer itself that'll cause players headaches. It's the input/output. There's only so many ways to get data into the computer. Manual inputer (toe-tap morse code in your shoe) or automatic input (itty bitty camera in your glasses). And there's only so many viable ways to get the data back to you. Audio (earpiece), visual (heads up display in your glasses, perhaps), sensory (left shoe buzzes to hit, right shoe buzzes to stand).

In the end, even if you had the perfect rig-- subdermal earpiece that accoustics sound up your jawbone so only you can hear it, implanted chip in your eye that shines a heads up onto your iris that only you can see, camera that's implanted in a mole in your chin, fastest computer in the words to do the processesing-- you still have the human factor. No matter how perfect the system is, there WILL be latency between input and process, process and output-- and most importantly, YOU recieving the output and acting on it. It might be measured in the tenths of seconds, but that tiny, consistant pause will be a tell as such as moving your lips when you count.

AND the casinos will still be able to computer analyze the hands and detect your patterns in a snap.

Of course there's always other ways of using this-- have a team with a electronic player (or maybe even an oberver), and a big player to take advantage of the good times. Super aggressive eWonging. Analyzing roulette biases and playing only a few good spins. But they are all just variations on a theme, which means the casino will catch up soon enough.

If you really, really want to cheat at the casino, come up with something new. I can guarentee you there's SOME cheating method out there that hasn't been thought of or guarded against. If you discover it and play it quickly enough, you'll make millions and can vanish by the time the casino pulls the Mickey Rooney Happy Fun Dildo out their butts and realizes what's happened. Just ask Thorpe, or the MIT team, or that guy who perfected then reinvented Past Posting, or that family that figured out roulette biases, or the first hole card sniper, or-- well, you get the idea.

Oh yeah, and work out your ab muscles just in case you get caught and get a Renegade's Friend. ;)
 

NDN21

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#10
How do

you would have to have a battery big enough to transmit outside the casino and their concrete walls in order to reach you friend. It wouldn't matter how small the camera or microphone is, the battery would give them away.

And your signal would have to be fast. There would be no time to wait for the signal to re-establish itself after the signal was lost (which would surely happen).

The turnaround time would have to be 5-8 seconds and probably wouldn't include the cards dealt to the player in front of you. That's not too fast for a computer. But for a human to input those cards values into the computer then input the proper play (hit/stand, etc.) given by the computer and send it back to you, then for the signal to actually reach you in time for you to hit/stand, etc. in a casual manner without looking like you are waiting (or counting cards) would be difficult.

If you win too much money (regardless of the number of hands it took you to win that amount) I think they will check to see what's up with you.
 

mdlbj

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#12
And if they catch you this could happen as well..

(Dead link: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6241562064408066530&q=Casino+Cheaters+Caught&hl=en) _Caught Cheating!!_
 
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