How I learned to Count

#1
I am not your typical big gambler. You will find me at the $15-$25 dollar tables. I started getting into the counting card craze about 4 years ago. I was easily able to count at home at a pretty good success rate so I gave it a shot in a casino on my next Vegas trip. I was a terrible failure, with so much going on, waitresses, dealers and other people I couldn't keep track of the cards. I ended up losing more than I had ever lost. I knew counting worked so it was onto plan B which I devised on the plane ride home.

My girlfriend (GF) and I would go to the Conn. casinos (Foxwoods, Mohegan Sun) when they were at their busiest, Friday and Saturday nights. We would sit together, as the cards were dealt I would keep a running count of all the high cards(10-A) and her the low cards (2-6). when the shoe was about a little more than 2/3 gone she would tell me what number she was at. I would subtract that number from my number and figure out the true count and bet accordingly. Her telling me the number was not as hard as it would seem, it was busy so there was a lot of noise around the table and I would ask her a random question like what the temp suppose to be tomorrow or something that would require her to give a a mid-high double digit answer. I never increased my bets enough to draw attention, maybe from $25 to $50 -$75 and my GF would usually keep betting the table minimum. If the true count was really in our favor I had a way to signal that to her so she could also raise her bet (usually by asking her if she talked to Beth, a friend who was a pothead and always stoned aka High) . We no longer do it this way because I can count without a problem but it was a great alternative until I learned to perfect it. Even to this day if I find myself at times getting distracted I will use my chip stack to help me, whatever the count is I put that many chips in a stack.

I consider myself a student of card count practice all the time. The most we ever won was a 4 day trip to Vegas when we left winning a combined $3,100 betting at the min $10-$15 dollar tables and upper the bet to $75 and a few times $100 when the shoe called for it.

If I had the finincial resources to cover me I would bet more.
 
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#2
Two strikes against you...

...contributed to your unsuccessful attempt at Foxwoods -

1. Your two person method does NOT produce a "true-count", it at best produces a rudimentary "Running Count" which provides NO ACCURACY.

2. Foxwoods games are of poor penetration requiring a relatively large 'spread' or differential between the small neg-count 'waiting' bets and the large plus-count profit bets. A game like Foxwoods would require a 30+ to 1 spread, thus if your small bets were $15 your largest bets in relation to the true (not running) count would be $450+ and require a BR of $50k+ to be safe.

Thats just for starters. zg
 
#3
zengrifter said:
...contributed to your unsuccessful attempt at Foxwoods -

1. Your two person method does NOT produce a "true-count", it at best produces a rudimentary "Running Count" which provides NO ACCURACY.

2. Foxwoods games are of poor penetration requiring a relatively large 'spread' or differential between the small neg-count 'waiting' bets and the large plus-count profit bets. A game like Foxwoods would require a 30+ to 1 spread, thus if your small bets were $15 your largest bets in relation to the true (not running) count would be $450+ and require a BR of $50k+ to be safe.

Thats just for starters. zg

1. Why does it not produce a true count? If I had a count of the high cards say at 66 and she had the low count at 75 that would leave the the count at +9. From that I can see how many decks are left in the shoe and determine the true count. This is how I count right now with out any help and I have been pretty successful, I am just able to do it without help.


2. You lost me on this point. :confused:
 

Mikeaber

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#4
PurpleChip said:
1. Why does it not produce a true count? If I had a count of the high cards say at 66 and she had the low count at 75 that would leave the the count at +9. From that I can see how many decks are left in the shoe and determine the true count. This is how I count right now with out any help and I have been pretty successful, I am just able to do it without help.


2. You lost me on this point. :confused:
I think that in your original post, you did not mention the division by the decks remaining. I could be wrong and do not wish to presume to anticipate Grifter's thoughts on this :joker:
 
#5
Mikeaber said:
I think that in your original post, you did not mention the division by the decks remaining. I could be wrong and do not wish to presume to anticipate Grifter's thoughts on this :joker:

Well I wrote in my original post:

"when the shoe was about a little more than 2/3 gone she would tell me what number she was at. I would subtract that number from my number and figure out the true count and bet accordingly."
 
#6
I didn't see the %decks reference...

... still, your spread and acuuracy are way off.

One thing you would need to do, if mid-entry is restricted, is be quick to abandon games once the TC drops to -2... go to another table and start over.

But clearly you are thus far unprepared to really take a stab at this. zg
 
#7
zengrifter said:
... still, your spread and acuuracy are way off.

Why?

If she was counting the low cards and him the high cards and her info (running count) was relayed to him one way or another 2/3 of the way through and he was mathematically capable (which it seems like he was) to determine the True Count (based on this info) and he was able to continue from there why wouldn't this work?


I am only speculating but it seems that from the info he posted this tag team system would work. And I have to say it is a pretty clever system if you are trying to win low stakes..
 
#8
Even if you are correct and his TC conversion was not off, his spread differential was not sufficient to produce a long-term gain. zg
 
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