How much do you walk into the casino with?

Lonesome Gambler · Oct 21, 2011

aslan said:

All this time spent on cultivating my online reputation for nothing! No, I hold no belief in the Gambler's Fallacy, or any variation thereof. You're half-right about the last part though—it's a longevity concern. 2x session EV at my home joint is approaching what I consider to be their heat/pain threshold, and there are only so many times you can hit a certain choke point before people start to wonder what the hell is going on.

aslan · Oct 21, 2011

Lonesome Gambler said:

My remark was not for your benefit. :laugh: Sorry about that.

In your home game (especially if you play rated), it is nice to establish that your reason for leaving is unrelated to the plus count. Sometimes I leave after never receiving a plus count but the "table gods" just happened to be good to me in negative counts. The best they can surmise from their backward looking analysis of my play is that I tend to leave when I'm ahead.

Cardcounter · Oct 21, 2011

fredperson said:

The ATM fee for one! I think I was hit with an $8 ATM fee last time I used a casino ATM and they don't charge a flat fee they charge more money for taking out more money. That was the last time I ever used a casino ATM.

aslan · Oct 21, 2011

Cardcounter said:

In a pinch, I've shopped around the casino and sometimes found two ATMs side by side, one charging some outlandish fee and the other, some minimal fee, like $2.50 per transaction. Go figure!

RollingStoned · Oct 21, 2011

I live in California (san diego)....So yeah, some casinos are 18 while others are 21. =\

No ATM fees at barona (and if there are, they're like 2 or 3 bucks....and that's because it's MY BANK billing me, not barona).

I also hear barona doesn't really care much about card-counters? I mean this guy next to me at a table was telling the dealer he doesn't count & how the casino probably thinks he [the player] counts. The dealer said something like "If you're counting, they already know. Chances are they don't care because you're playing at the red tables.....just don't go to the green tables." But I read a few people on here (blackjackinfo) that barona doesn't care much about APs? And the dealer saying that kinda stands out to me now... ?? Anyone know.

FLASH1296 · Oct 21, 2011

Barona DOES care !
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lovethespaniard · Oct 22, 2011

I rarely go into a casino with over $1500-2000 on me. I'm a low roller obviously and usually bet only $25-50, but will sometimes ride out a bad count by betting table mins, which since I play downtown is often just five bucks. My job pays only $23 an hour. To some I'm sure I'm just poor white trash, but I love playing BJ and trying to beat the casinos as much as the next guy.

bigplayer · Oct 22, 2011

RollingStoned said:

If my top bet is two hands of $1000 I would generally prefer not to start a shoe with less than $8,000 to $10,000 in betting power.

bigplayer · Oct 22, 2011

RollingStoned said:

I live in California (san diego)....So yeah, some casinos are 18 while others are 21. =\

No ATM fees at barona (and if there are, they're like 2 or 3 bucks....and that's because it's MY BANK billing me, not barona).

I also hear barona doesn't really care much about card-counters? I mean this guy next to me at a table was telling the dealer he doesn't count & how the casino probably thinks he [the player] counts. The dealer said something like "If you're counting, they already know. Chances are they don't care because you're playing at the red tables.....just don't go to the green tables." But I read a few people on here (blackjackinfo) that barona doesn't care much about APs? And the dealer saying that kinda stands out to me now... ?? Anyone know.

I wouldn't know...Tommy is in the BJ Hall of Fame there and is tight with Max Rubin and thus none of us are allowed to play there.

aslan · Oct 22, 2011

bigplayer said:

Two hands of $1000 each? Isn't that cutting it close?

tthree · Oct 22, 2011

RollingStoned said:

If Barona didn't care about counters why would they already know your a counter if you are one. Because they care enough to pay someone to sniff out all the counters!! Odds are, if they tolerate you it means either you are not good enough an AP to warrant concern or your level of play is not high enough to be much of a threat. If you become a threat you will see how much they care about counters.

AussiePlayer · Oct 23, 2011

RollingStoned said:

I also hear barona doesn't really care much about card-counters? I mean this guy next to me at a table was telling the dealer he doesn't count & how the casino probably thinks he [the player] counts. The dealer said something like "If you're counting, they already know. Chances are they don't care because you're playing at the red tables.....just don't go to the green tables." But I read a few people on here (blackjackinfo) that barona doesn't care much about APs? And the dealer saying that kinda stands out to me now... ?? Anyone know.

Barona has the most creative way imaginable to stop counters/AP's from playing there!

aslan · Oct 23, 2011

tthree said:

I know what you mean. I know that I am rated a skillful player in many places, and I believe I am known to be a card counter in several places, but they tolerate my play because the money I win normally does not rise to the level of a threat to the casino. If I do happen to win fairly large, I quickly make myself scarce. That's just me. I can't believe that a decent surveillance person wouldn't spot my play after a few visits. If they don't know, shame on them. My strategy is not to do anything to force them to take action. Even playing unrated, one eventually becomes known. Keep it friendly, take what the casino will give, and don't wear out your welcome. If you are a big money pro, you may have a different approach. You may go for the jugular, hit and run and don't look back. But I'm a recreational player; you won't catch me black chipping often. If you do, I'm probably steaming. Please stop me! :laugh:

kewljason · Oct 23, 2011

aslan said:

As a green to black player this is exactly my experience as well, Aslan. At least here in the desert. I play many of the same store and see the same faces, all too often to think that I am pulling anything over on them. When I sit down, I often see that look of recognition in their faces. Occasionally a nod. Most don't even come over and ask me for a card anymore, and yet they do so immediately with other players. Sure there are a few of these pit guys that are all gun-ho and will throw out a red chipper at the drop of a hat, but for most, you are only a problem, if you create a situation where they have to answer for your actions, because you had a huge win or played to long. Play short sessions, take what they are willing to give and move on and most will look the other way. It isn't necessarily that they are being nice to you, it is just the path of least resistance.

blackjack avenger · Oct 23, 2011

yep

kewljason said:

As a green to black player this is exactly my experience as well, Aslan. At least here in the desert. I play many of the same store and see the same faces, all too often to think that I am pulling anything over on them. When I sit down, I often see that look of recognition in their faces. Occasionally a nod. Most don't even come over and ask me for a card anymore, and yet they do so immediately with other players. Sure there are a few of these pit guys that are all gun-ho and will throw out a red chipper at the drop of a hat, but for most, you are only a problem, if you create a situation where they have to answer for your actions, because you had a huge win or played to long. Play short sessions, take what they are willing to give and move on and most will look the other way. It isn't necessarily that they are being nice to you, it is just the path of least resistance.

Don't be greedy. Don't ramp up bets even higher when winning big to force their hand.

kewljason · Oct 23, 2011

blackjack avenger said:

:laugh:

See you think I am not listening, avenger, but I am. Sometimes it just takes a little while to sink in.

Gamblor · Oct 23, 2011

Some good points about casino employees. Also, think it through from the casino employee's perspective. Its tedious to try to catch a counter. Don't give them the motivation to try and catch you. Like most employees for any company, they're not proactive, they are there to not get fired or reamed out by the boss for the day.

tthree · Oct 23, 2011

I used to bring 80 units. One time I had to size down my max bet on a hand so I could split if I had to. I won and ended up for the trip so it only affected one round. Now I bring at least 100 units. I think I am going to bring 150 units on my next trip.

Intermediate · Oct 23, 2011

I'm a recreational player, betting green to low black at 2D. For a three-four day trip to LV, anticipating 10-15 hours of play, I bring 180 units which is 20+ max bets. I usually walk around with 40 units, but I buy in small (10-12 units) and dig if I have to.

I keep my sessions to 45-75 minutes, and my spread to 1-8, to keep from giving the pit a reason to back me off. However, I try to maximize hands/hr by playing head's up or with no more than one other player, which means I play during uncrowded times, and during those periods the pit seems to have the time to watch.

I never leave on a win, e.g., just because I've hit 2xEV. I leave when conditions deteriorate. I leave if mentally I'm stressed or not sharp, the cut/penetration deteriorates, I 've been there long enough to give the pit enough data points to cause concern, or more players enter thus reducing hands/hr. It's all one long session, so if conditions are good, you should stay. You could win more than 2xEV and it will balance those times you lose 2xEV.

Dyepaintball12 · Oct 23, 2011

I leave when the rack is gone.

Depends on the casino though... sometimes two racks.

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