Has anyone ever changed their name after being known as a counter in the casino database. I want to get comps again but dont want to use my real name, since i am a known counter if they look it up. I really miss the comps.anyway, i was thinking of changing my name, and gettin g a drivers license, and then changing it back right after. Im thinkingthis would be positive ev.I just dont know how long it takes or how much.
How much does it cost to change your name??
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Automatic Monkey
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If your name is really "Lucifer" you can probably find a lawyer to do it pro bono.
callipygian
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This may be illegal, or at least safeguarded against. For example, they may make you surrender your old driver's license when you change your name. I'm pretty certain that most places won't let you run around with two valid driver's licenses under different names. That would lead to a world of trouble.
lucifer said:
Depending on what you want to change, it's pretty easy. A lot of people change their names when they get married. You will need to pay for some sort of public announcement (generally a newspaper ad) that states your name change on public record, and pay whatever processing fees are applicable in your jurisdiction.
You will need to change accounts in a certain order; this may vary by area, but when my wife changed her name, she had to change her name with the SSA first and get a new SS card before she could go to the county and get a new driver's license, and she needed to get her physical driver's license before she could change her name at the bank. The complete changeover took about 6 months, but if you're not changing bank accounts that might be quicker.
One of the things you may want to ask yourself before going through all this is whether it's really necessary. Most suggestions I've seen revolve around playing slots for comps, as slots are valued more highly than table games. Most people also agree there's a significant disconnect between the casino floor and the marketing department - you're not going to get comps voided if they think you're a counter (so long as they don't think you're a criminal, which is a whole other ballgame). As an experiment, you should take your card and just go to a casino (so long as you're not trespassed) and play some slots on the card. Only if you're not accumulating points should you resort to more labor-intensive measures.
callipygian
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Guess what? Casinos like losers.
Read the comp whoring threads or books, I'm pretty sure a disproportionate number of points are awarded to slot players. The general opinion is that you find a place where you can really rack up points for playing slots or VP, get your rooms there, and then stiff them to play blackjack elsewhere.
You don't want to be staying at the same place you're playing, anyway. Ever hear of the expression "Don't [poop] where you sleep?"
not sure if it helps you out, but i asked one time when changing a drivers license to another address in another state and had to surrender my license to get the new one, the DMV official told me it was a felony to have more than one drivers license, multiple states or not. Prevents truckers from collecting states i guess
Sonny
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That sounds like a huge hassle for just one alias, but I suppose it depends on how serious of a player you are. If you expect to fill out CTR paperwork or other legal forms then your alias will need to be legit, but you can do that with a DBA. For most card counters you can just get away with a novelty ID or random person's/friend's card. It can work for more serious players too if you do it carefully.
-Sonny-
FLASH1296
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There are some problems with the name change strategy.
Firstly your date of birth will not change.
All casino databases sort by D.O.B.
Ditto your address, phone. no. etc.
More importantly the courts will permit a name change for nearly any reason, but changing it back makes it look like a rather suspicious activity.
"Nearly any reason" does not include bypassing the "innkeeper's law" or the "trespass act", which (perhaps) could be interpreted as a violation or misdemeanor of some kind, especially if comp's are accepted under an "assumed name".
I think that while, as I just said, changing your name is a trivial matter, that can be done without an attorney; how do you explain changing it back ?
There is a chance that a random judge is a bit smarter than a random Pit Boss.
Firstly your date of birth will not change.
All casino databases sort by D.O.B.
Ditto your address, phone. no. etc.
More importantly the courts will permit a name change for nearly any reason, but changing it back makes it look like a rather suspicious activity.
"Nearly any reason" does not include bypassing the "innkeeper's law" or the "trespass act", which (perhaps) could be interpreted as a violation or misdemeanor of some kind, especially if comp's are accepted under an "assumed name".
I think that while, as I just said, changing your name is a trivial matter, that can be done without an attorney; how do you explain changing it back ?
There is a chance that a random judge is a bit smarter than a random Pit Boss.
Mimosine
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except some casinos ask for your real id in addition to players card. what are you going to do if you lose your players card, change names again?
you guys dont understand a word i said.lets review. I change my name to john smith. i get a license with john smith.I then go to the dmv and say i lost my license. I get another license with the name john smith.I now have 2 licenses with john smith. I change my name back to lucifer and turn in my license. I keep the extra one that says john smith. I only use it to get comps or rooms.
callipygian
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Let's review. You're probably committing perjury when you sign the form they make you sign when you lose your license. Do you honestly think they'd just hand you a duplicate license without documentation such as filed police report?
Even if you were willing to do that, if ever caught with a second ID on you, you might be charged with possession of a fake ID. Of course, it was valid when it was issued, but seeing as it no longer contains your real name, you're probably in violation of whatever statute governs fake ID's.
Do you think you're the first person to come up with this scheme? Do you not realize the potential in criminals being able to duplicate valid ID's at will?
FLASH1296
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Warning !
If you present yourself at the D M V with a false story you are subject to prosecution. That is self-evident. It is a state agency. The form, at least in my state, had you swearing to the truths of the statements that you are affixing your name to. I am reasonably certain that the fine print by your signature warns you about criminal consequences of schemming at the D M V.
In the old days DMV's were pretty lax; but ever since "9/11" the powers that be are all over driver's licenses.
You are REQUIRED to state that you have lost your drivers license and will turn it in (promptly) should you relocate it.
If you simply get a new name and get a new driver's license you are REQUIRED to turn in your (old) license. Furthermore, that license will be cancelled, whether or not you turn it in. Using an old license, under said circumstances, is probably a misdemeanor.
My advice to you: fuggedaboudit.
If you present yourself at the D M V with a false story you are subject to prosecution. That is self-evident. It is a state agency. The form, at least in my state, had you swearing to the truths of the statements that you are affixing your name to. I am reasonably certain that the fine print by your signature warns you about criminal consequences of schemming at the D M V.
In the old days DMV's were pretty lax; but ever since "9/11" the powers that be are all over driver's licenses.
You are REQUIRED to state that you have lost your drivers license and will turn it in (promptly) should you relocate it.
If you simply get a new name and get a new driver's license you are REQUIRED to turn in your (old) license. Furthermore, that license will be cancelled, whether or not you turn it in. Using an old license, under said circumstances, is probably a misdemeanor.
My advice to you: fuggedaboudit.
callipygian
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hay guyz halp me commit a crime kthx