How to get more action in a nl poker game

Thunder

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#1
Does anyone have any suggestions as to what I can do to try to get more action in nl poker at the casinos without sacrificing EV? I'm getting sick and tired of the crappy pots I seem to win. If I try slow playing to get more action, I seem to get burnt so any feedback you have would be welcome.
 

SleightOfHand

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#2
Thunder said:
Does anyone have any suggestions as to what I can do to try to get more action in nl poker at the casinos without sacrificing EV? I'm getting sick and tired of the crappy pots I seem to win. If I try slow playing to get more action, I seem to get burnt so any feedback you have would be welcome.
Without sacrificing EV? Thats pretty tough. C-betting often is usually the way to go. Since you are betting with or without hands, villains wont be able to tell if you have a hand or not, which gives you a better chance of being called when you wake up with the nuts.
 

1357111317

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#3
Make a ridiculous raise preflop with a garbage suited in position and make sure you show everyone. If you are typically playing tight show the table everytime you make a bluff. When people play pots vs you they will think back to those hands and think you are capable of bluffing.
 

Thunder

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#4
Yeah that's an old trick of mine. The problem raising a ridiculous amount when you're ont he button or what not is inevitably you get one ballsy caller. Thenw hen the flop comes out, you don't know what to do because you're thinking ok what if he does have a high pocket pair!
 

1357111317

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#5
Thunder said:
Yeah that's an old trick of mine. The problem raising a ridiculous amount when you're ont he button or what not is inevitably you get one ballsy caller. Thenw hen the flop comes out, you don't know what to do because you're thinking ok what if he does have a high pocket pair!
Well if its limps around theres a good chance nobody has a great hand. No matter what the flop comes out if they check to you cbet half the pot. If an Ace comes out cbet even less since people will put you on AK. If they call your cbet 99% of the time they hit, and just check behind or fold on later streets. If you ever do make it to showdown show the table your hand and laugh. Now keep in mind if people arent going to fold to this preflop then dont worry about doing this, they will call you when you do pick up a hand too.

I did this once with 102o on the BB at my first hand at the table. It was limps around to me, i raised to 25 in a 1/2 game. Everyone folds to the SB who thinks hes quite the poker player thinks about it for a while, asks if i had a made hand and then folded. I showed everyone. A bit later on when the PB asks the table if anyone wants to get put on the 2/5 list I say yes and the SB says "well if ten deuce is playing 2/5 put me on the list" haha.
 

fubster

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#6
when you're playing live, you can always just 3bet junk in position and halfpot bet pretty much any flop haha

but seriously, live poker is extremely boring when played properly. just gotta tough through.
 

Lonesome Gambler

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#7
Yeah, definitely 3-betting air IP is a good way to get people to look you up later. And I'm not condoning this, but min-raising UTG with AA and KK will often get you a few callers and, if you're lucky, a wise-guy that raises for you, allowing you to bump it up when it comes back around. Probably a bad idea in general, though.
 

fubster

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#8
your overall focus shouldn't be "getting action" anyway, it should be maximizing your expectation in all spots. sadly, you aren't always going to get your sets paid off.
 

Thunder

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#9
Yeah when playing at a tight table which seems to be the case now more and more often, I'll be lucky if I even get 1 caller when I have a pocket pair and raise preflop. When I raise preflop and someone calls, I know they have a great hand. They're so tight that I could keep raising almost every other ttime preflop and still, the only callers will be people who have AQ suited or better. 3 betting is great when you have a loose table but at a tight table, that is very dangerous.
 

fubster

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#10
3betting is better at a tight table because they'll be folding so frequently either preflop or on the flop

at loose tables, 3bet a wider range for value and don't 3bet air

if the table is really tight and sucky, just move tables. there's going to be a good table in the place. guaranteed.
 

moo321

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#11
1. Act crazy
2. Yell, make weird comments
3. Drink, or have a beer at the table and act drunk
4. Talk incessantly
5. Tell bad jokes. Constantly.
6. Make ridiculous declarations, like "I think I'm going all-in this hand" before the shuffle, and then do it if you get aces or kings

Generally acting weird makes people thinking all in terms of "does he have it, or not?" They don't think, hmm maybe he's semi-bluffing a flush draw. It's "Does he have aces, or 2-7?"

Also, don't play in games where you have to do things to get action. Just find a better games. I like games where I can not say a word, bet only the nuts, and get called.
 

aslan

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#12
This may sound ridiculous, I don't know, but find yourself a good 7 card stud game, or Omaha. There is too much luck IMO in Texas holdem. Not that you can't win, but the advantage is limited. If a game has a bunch of ploppies, you still have to be very careful, because five ploppies drawing to 5 to 1 shots means someone is going to draw out on you a lot of the time. I'm sure that never happened to you, right?

I quit playing Holdem because I could play 12 hours straight and still be even or just a little ahead. Also, more than in 7 card stud, I could have great hands and someone draw out on me. The element of luck is very high and hard to overcome. But it's the rage. Good luck.
 

1357111317

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#13
Don't play Omaha unless you like varience. Wayyy more variance in Omaha since you can almost never get someone to go AI without at least some kind of draw.
 

aslan

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#14
1357111317 said:
Don't play Omaha unless you like varience. Wayyy more variance in Omaha since you can almost never get someone to go AI without at least some kind of draw.
I don't play Omaha, but I understand the luck factor not so bad as Holdem, which I have played. I grew up on 5 and 7 stud, and draw poker. These unpopular games are my favorites. I hope they have a resurgence in popularity. Currently, the only stud game I know of in AC is at the Taj. The higher limit stud games there are generally populated by some very astute players, but occasionally a sucker like myself wanders in. lol
 

fubster

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#15
moo321 said:
1. Act crazy
2. Yell, make weird comments
3. Drink, or have a beer at the table and act drunk
4. Talk incessantly
5. Tell bad jokes. Constantly.
6. Make ridiculous declarations, like "I think I'm going all-in this hand" before the shuffle, and then do it if you get aces or kings

Generally acting weird makes people thinking all in terms of "does he have it, or not?" They don't think, hmm maybe he's semi-bluffing a flush draw. It's "Does he have aces, or 2-7?"

Also, don't play in games where you have to do things to get action. Just find a better games. I like games where I can not say a word, bet only the nuts, and get called.
this is good, too.

also, if you act like a gigantic tool, people may just spitecall you a lot
 

fubster

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#16
aslan said:
This may sound ridiculous, I don't know, but find yourself a good 7 card stud game, or Omaha. There is too much luck IMO in Texas holdem. Not that you can't win, but the advantage is limited. If a game has a bunch of ploppies, you still have to be very careful, because five ploppies drawing to 5 to 1 shots means someone is going to draw out on you a lot of the time. I'm sure that never happened to you, right?

I quit playing Holdem because I could play 12 hours straight and still be even or just a little ahead. Also, more than in 7 card stud, I could have great hands and someone draw out on me. The element of luck is very high and hard to overcome. But it's the rage. Good luck.
omaha is WAYYYYYYY crazier than nlhe in terms of variance. heads up plo is probably the most high variance poker game you could ever come up with. i've seen some people's graphs and thought "wow wtf is this that i am witnessing"
 

aslan

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#17
fubster said:
omaha is WAYYYYYYY crazier than nlhe in terms of variance. heads up plo is probably the most high variance poker game you could ever come up with. i've seen some people's graphs and thought "wow wtf is this that i am witnessing"
If by nlhe you mean no limit holdem, all I'm saying is that poker players tell me that skill is more apt to win the day in omaha than in holdem. I'm not an omaha player. As for plo, if that means pot limit omaha, again I don't know. Are you trying to compare no limit against pot limit. Do they not have no limit omaha? Personally, I don't like anything beyond stud, draw and hi-lo. Too much luck in all the rest to my liking. But holdem does make people think they are far better players than they really are. That has to count for something.
 

1357111317

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#18
aslan said:
If by nlhe you mean no limit holdem, all I'm saying is that poker players tell me that skill is more apt to win the day in omaha than in holdem. I'm not an omaha player. As for plo, if that means pot limit omaha, again I don't know. Are you trying to compare no limit against pot limit. Do they not have no limit omaha? Personally, I don't like anything beyond stud, draw and hi-lo. Too much luck in all the rest to my liking. But holdem does make people think they are far better players than they really are. That has to count for something.
They don't have No limit Omaha Hi because sometimes there would be a lot of rando shoving preflop with aces and open shoving flops with draws and stuff like that. At least thats my take on it. They make it pot limit so people actually have to play and just can't shove everything.
 

fubster

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#19
aslan said:
If by nlhe you mean no limit holdem, all I'm saying is that poker players tell me that skill is more apt to win the day in omaha than in holdem. I'm not an omaha player. As for plo, if that means pot limit omaha, again I don't know. Are you trying to compare no limit against pot limit. Do they not have no limit omaha? Personally, I don't like anything beyond stud, draw and hi-lo. Too much luck in all the rest to my liking. But holdem does make people think they are far better players than they really are. That has to count for something.
omaha is played pretty much pot limit exclusively. unless you're talking about omaha hi/low, which is limit and pot limit. it's also one of the most mind numbingly unfun poker games in the world in my opinion
 

fubster

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#20
aslan said:
But holdem does make people think they are far better players than they really are. That has to count for something.
This is definitely true. When people watch TV tournaments and see all these randoms making tons of money, they figure "hell if they can do it, so can i!"
 
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