hows the SD at mandalay bay?
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zengrifter
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You just answered your own question.
Why play a 1D game with 4x higher house edge than the 6D game next to it.
Tell us what you were thinking when you asked this? zg
StudiodeKadent
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Indeed. 6:5 is a hideous evil.
The idea that you "need" 6:5 to have a profitable single deck game is stupid.
A single deck game with NS, D10-11, nRSA, DAS and splitting up to 4 hands has a house edge of 0.46% (0.58% if nDAS).
Offerring this game at 10/15 dollars (and the nDAS version at 5/10 dollars) would easily be profitable for a casino. Hell, you could probably offer the DAS version at 5/10 if you automatically reshuffled the deck.
Thus, 6:5 is NOT necessary for casinos to make money off of single deck blackjack. This is simply a lie which the casinos tell to hide the truth; 6:5 is a sucker game for stupid people.
Every time someone plays a 6:5 game they contribute to the destruction of good blackjack games.
The idea that you "need" 6:5 to have a profitable single deck game is stupid.
A single deck game with NS, D10-11, nRSA, DAS and splitting up to 4 hands has a house edge of 0.46% (0.58% if nDAS).
Offerring this game at 10/15 dollars (and the nDAS version at 5/10 dollars) would easily be profitable for a casino. Hell, you could probably offer the DAS version at 5/10 if you automatically reshuffled the deck.
Thus, 6:5 is NOT necessary for casinos to make money off of single deck blackjack. This is simply a lie which the casinos tell to hide the truth; 6:5 is a sucker game for stupid people.
Every time someone plays a 6:5 game they contribute to the destruction of good blackjack games.
paddywhack
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Yep, but they're doing it day in and day out everywhere.
You just can't seem to teach these ploppies anything about house edge and what kind of a disadvantage they're playing at.
Which is why, for the most part, I believe that H17 will become the norm for nearly everywhere on all games, SD, DD, 6D, and 8D. The house gets a higher edge and no one will care one iota.
StudiodeKadent
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Yep, but they're doing it day in and day out everywhere.
You just can't seem to teach these ploppies anything about house edge and what kind of a disadvantage they're playing at.
Which is why, for the most part, I believe that H17 will become the norm for nearly everywhere on all games, SD, DD, 6D, and 8D. The house gets a higher edge and no one will care one iota.
I think there are SOME reasons to be optimistic... for one, higher knowledge of gaming is correlated with larger bankrolls so a casino will still have to be reasonable with edges at higher limits.
For two, at least with the internet, good strategy information is more easily accessible for free.
I think part of the solution is for blackjack players to virally promote casinos that have better rules and state WHY these rules are better (I do so all the time). I also think that it would make sense for APs to be less aggressive at casinos with good rules; casinos that offer a good game should make profits from doing so.
Being less agressive at casinos with good rules means being more agressive at casinos with bad rules. That logic escapes me.
I think his point is if you dont play at the casinos with bad rules you can be less aggressive at the casinos with good rules. Personally I dont play where there is bad rules and play as aggressively as I can get away with where there are good rules.
Its like driving on the highway. Nobody drives the speed limit making it dangerous to do so. But if you are among the fastest on the road you are going to get pulled over by the authorities. Let enough people drive faster than you, you can drive way over the speed limit with little chance of unwanted attention from the authorities.
Sharky
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ok everyone, time to spread the word on your best games...come on, don't be shy...anyone?
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im going to be in vegas this coming sunday and ill be staying at the mandalay. i don't think they have 8D anymore but does anyone suggest I play their DD over their SD? The DD is $25 min. and the SD is 10. I mean 10 isnt alot for a 1k+ bankroll for the trip. What do you guys think? stick to the DD?
StudiodeKadent
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The logic here is that a casino deserves to get some reward for offerring good games. If AP's play frequently and aggressively at a casino offerring better games, said casino will toughen up the rules.
StudiodeKadent
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I was talking about virally marketing the best games to non-APs. That way, ploppies get better educated about how to play blackjack well and the casino gets more customers that aren't APs thus making more profit.
The idea is to educate the gaming public to search for better games in order to create an incentive for casinos to keep house edges down.
paddywhack
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Which is why, for the most part, I believe that H17 will become the norm for nearly everywhere on all games, SD, DD, 6D, and 8D. The house gets a higher edge and no one will care one iota.
I actually think you're giving the ploppies WAY too much credit here. Nearly all have only a very rudimentary knowledge of basic strategy. Researching how H17 makes a poorer game than S17, ha, that'll happen.
I don't think it would work that way. Taken to the extrreme, if all ploppies played perfect BS, with .5% HE, the casino would not be able to offer the game. Better to let the ploppies stand with 16 v 7.
What are ploppies thinking?
One of the things that amazed me about ploppies is the way they hit 16 v T without hesitation but think forever about hitting 16 v 7 or in many cases even against a 5 or 6. Even if you are ignorant of how to play blackjack, it should be obvious that you need the dealer to bust most of the time to win 16 v T but it is less likely than for any other dealer upcard except an ace. You are in the same situation with 16 v stiff but a dealer bust is much more likely. Dont they notice the deck contains 4 times as many ten value cards as any other card value?
One of the things that amazed me about ploppies is the way they hit 16 v T without hesitation but think forever about hitting 16 v 7 or in many cases even against a 5 or 6. Even if you are ignorant of how to play blackjack, it should be obvious that you need the dealer to bust most of the time to win 16 v T but it is less likely than for any other dealer upcard except an ace. You are in the same situation with 16 v stiff but a dealer bust is much more likely. Dont they notice the deck contains 4 times as many ten value cards as any other card value?
Mandalay Bay usually has a 6 deck game with S17, LS, and RSA for a house edge of .28% and I've seen it at $10 minimums. I haven't been there in a few months so I can't speak to the current conditions. I can verify that MGM had the same game last week at $10 minimums with 75% penetration.
do you rememeber what the conditions were for their DD game at MD
StudiodeKadent
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Yes! YES! YEAH! MORE!!!
Honestly, thanks for this. Now I know Vegas still has liberal rules BJ at below the black chip level.
Thanks for telling me this. Really. The "S17 almost gone" thread had me in a panic.