Hoyle's Press, aka Oscar's Grind: win or lose?

Discussion in 'General' started by googlino, Sep 29, 2011.

  1. googlino

    googlino New Member

    Hoyle's Press, aka Oscar's Grind: This system is designed to win one unit per series. Flat bet until you lose. Then continue to flat bet until a win. At that point, raise your bet one unit and bet at that level until you have recouped your loss plus one unit. It might go like this: 1-L. 1-L, 1-W, 2-W. Thus, you have won one unit from your intitial two unit loss and your series is over. This system looks good until you run into a spotty streak followed by a long losing streak. All of a sudden, you have a lot of money on the table and its going to take a looooonnnng winning streak to get it back.

    but one person from spain getting money...This is true?
    This person is scamer?

    [link removed]

    I don't know what happend.
  2. PierceNation

    PierceNation Well-Known Member

    Sounds like a classic Martingale idea. The video was 30 minutes long, could of quite easily had a lot of good luck/variance in that time.

    Its a loser.
  3. Sonny

    Sonny Well-Known Member

    Of course it's a scam. The guy posted some videos of winning sessions but didn't post any of the losing sessions. Oscar's Grind has the same weakness that every progression system has - it is based on the Gambler's Fallacy. The sticky threads have detailed explanations of this system and many other popular systems.

  4. googlino

    googlino New Member

    Sonny can you help about blackjack how i can win from blackjack?
  5. NAP

    NAP Well-Known Member

  6. Sonny

    Sonny Well-Known Member

  7. tthree

    tthree Banned

    It is quite different from a martingale. It is best used to play for comps. Blackjack is a bad game for any kind of progression not based on the cards played. You lose 53% for the 47% you win. The bonus for blackjack, splits and doubles close the gap for your monetary lose percentage. Martingale raises your bet on a lose, Oscar raises his bet on a win. Oscar is content to play for an hour for his 1 unit win if that is what it takes, the martingale bettor wants one unit or BR suicide in about 8 hands. This about 8 hand run is all the table limits allow but Oscar can progress for hours without worrying about the table limit (he will need very deep pockets to do so). They both lose about the same way.
  8. Caesar

    Caesar Well-Known Member

    Not a good approach to blackjack

    There are at least two reasons why Oscar is not a good approach to blackjack. First, the goal of Oscar is to win exactly one unit. Doubling and splitting and blackjacks result in gains of half units or plus or minus two units. Second, the system is rather complicated and you really need a pen and paper at the table to keep track of it. Of course, you won't be allowed to use a pen and paper at the table.
    You could do it in your head but it would be as hard as a simple count system!
  9. shadroch

    shadroch Well-Known Member

    You are mistaken. The system is simplicity itself, and quite easy to keep track of. You can even do it with chips if you can't do it in your head.
    The casino I use this wouldn't mind if you wrote it down, I suspect.
    When playing for comps, its ideal that about 8% of hands will be a push. Over the course of a week, thats thousands of dollars worth of play at zero risk.
    Its not a winning system, in itself, but team it with a good comp program and we have a bingo!
  10. Caesar

    Caesar Well-Known Member

    What brick-and-mortar casino in the US allows players to sit at the blackjack tables with pencil and paper? You've got to be kidding.

    If you're playing for comps, why not just flat bet?
  11. johndoe

    johndoe Well-Known Member

    If you're playing for comps, it's better to correlate your bet size with the presence of the person rating your play. It's not that complicated. Correlating to anything else (or nothing, a la progressions) is wasteful.

    (Flat betting is fine as well, as long as you're getting requisite comps.)
  12. ringlejames

    ringlejames Banned

    I personally think that playing rated is essential for a beginner. Your long term profit will only be that of about your regular visit. Playing unrated you miss out on meals at most places. You pay for your own room unless your with someone else buying. You can get game coupons. Free slots. They offer me all kind of free slots and I have yet to push a button on any machine. Playing rated you save literally hundreds on a respectful thought out trip. Thousands if you know how to milk the machine and get comped every casino you play at. Entertainment, in my book is considered +e.v. Shows, rides, concerts.

    Put it this way. In the past say 4 years, I have made a 21k profit from blackjack. Been getting balls lately and took a huge 10k lose recently. or I would be at 31k profit. But take into account 21k total 4 years IS NOT including comps. With comps we are looking at 50-100k. about 60 total sessions with an average bank of 5-10k. It varied a lot and was high as 70k. Been up a lot some casinos factored in huge bankrolls into my comps equation. Limo rides. Boat rides shows concerts food fine dining with huge bills. Unspent comps not factored in either. This is comps I have used.

    Playing rated gives one an extremely high +e.v. in entertainment and fun. And they spoil your girl even better than you sometimes.

    I say play rated. I personally think there is no such thing as playing unrated in a casino. If they are interested in you they know who you are even if you dont tell them. Pointless. I say play rated and even if you have a long term loss, correct comps strategy play would surely give you a positive e.v. in entertainment and experience. Just sayin.
  13. shadroch

    shadroch Well-Known Member

    Of course there are casinos that will let you use pen and paper at their BJ tables. You just have to think outside the box.
    Here is a hint The same tables you can use a pen and paper on don't allow tipping.

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