I play at a 8 deck Casino

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jase

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Greetings everyone!!!

I am a very new member to this forum and I am still in the learning process of card counting. Of course compared to all of you out there, I am just a hatchling.
I just started to learn counting about a week or so and I play at a casino with 8 decks (888 casino) online. I've stopped playing for a while till I am confident enough. While in the learning process, I've played and tried to card count and midway I've lost track of the count. I guess I was over excited when playing with real money. After losing count, I just played like the rest of the players and managed to win $100. Basically, I just used my own instincts. As soon as I won $100 I managed to leave because I was afraid I'd lose it all back to the casino. So in short, I wasn't confident about my card counting and to add to it, I've lost count midway.
As I am still new to card counting, I would like to know how to calculate the TC if the RC is +2 and I have 7 decks left in the shoe? I tried to look up for a table at this forum for 8 decks but couldn't find it. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you.
 
Lonesome Gambler

Lonesome Gambler

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I've heard of 888, but do they use an actual shoe? If it's not just a continual shuffle (as I'd assume it is), your TC is simply your RC/unseen cards. Wait, this isn't subtle spam for 888, is it?
 
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jase

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Lonesome Gambler said:
I've heard of 888, but do they use an actual shoe? If it's not just a continual shuffle (as I'd assume it is), your TC is simply your RC/unseen cards. Wait, this isn't subtle spam for 888, is it?
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Yes, they do use an "Actual Shoe" :grin: and no they do not shuffle after every hand if that is what you are asking.
Okay my TC is +2 and remaining cards is 7 decks with one deck played out. So I divide 2 by 7 that would give me 0.285714 I don't know how I can apply that. Would that mean my TC is 0?

:laugh: And no I am not spamming for 888.
 
Lonesome Gambler

Lonesome Gambler

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Depending on how you calculate your TC (truncating, flooring, rounding), it would change based on how close you are to the next TC integer. For all intents and purposes, your TC is 0. More importantly, you most likely won't have an edge in this game until at least a TC of 2, so it's a moot point anyway.

Here's how I do it:

7 decks left: is my RC at least 7? No? Then there's no need to calculate further.
 
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jase

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Lonesome Gambler said:
Depending on how you calculate your TC (truncating, flooring, rounding), it would change based on how close you are to the next TC integer. For all intents and purposes, your TC is 0. More importantly, you most likely won't have an edge in this game until at least a TC of 2, so it's a moot point anyway.

Here's how I do it:

7 decks left: is my RC at least 7? No? Then there's no need to calculate further.
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Okay, I think I understand now. All in all you're saying is, we need to have a RC of +7 or more and -7 or more to determine the actual TC whether it's + or -, right?
And if it's less than +7 or -7 then all TC =0. Hope I am right. :grin:

I have another question. :grin: Now I play at the 8 deck casino. They cut the decks mostly in the middle, which makes it like 4 decks. Do we take it as 4 decks or 8 decks?
Sorry for my ignorance. Like I said, I am still a new born. :grin:
 
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21gunsalute

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jase said:
Okay, I think I understand now. All in all you're saying is, we need to have a RC of +7 or more and -7 or more to determine the actual TC whether it's + or -, right?
And if it's less than +7 or -7 then all TC =0. Hope I am right. :grin:

I have another question. :grin: Now I play at the 8 deck casino. They cut the decks mostly in the middle, which makes it like 4 decks. Do we take it as 4 decks or 8 decks?
Sorry for my ignorance. Like I said, I am still a new born. :grin:
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That pen is so terrible it's not worth playing. I suspect the other rules are equally as terrible!

As for your first question the TC is going to change constantly. You need to recalculate it every hand.
 
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ycming

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These are those online casino, where they stream a video vid of some girl dealing the cards...

Seriously why are you playing there?

You got some serious reading to do from what i gathered!

Ming
 
J

jase

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ycming said:
These are those online casino, where they stream a video vid of some girl dealing the cards...

Seriously why are you playing there?

You got some serious reading to do from what i gathered!

Ming
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Hello Ming, the thing is I don't have much of a choice and the country that I am born and bred in do not and will not allow a casino. The only option left for me is to play online. And yes, pretty girls out there. ;)

And yes, I really need to learn a lot from any sources I can gather. I am still very new to card counting. I shall share one of my experiences with you all in my next post.
 
J

jase

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21gunsalute said:
That pen is so terrible it's not worth playing. I suspect the other rules are equally as terrible!

As for your first question the TC is going to change constantly. You need to recalculate it every hand.
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Oh, I really thought TC had to be calculated after every hand. See, told you I am brand new and please forgive my ignorance. :)
 
J

jase

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I would like to share one of my experiences today to everyone here and especially to all novice card counters.

Today, I logged on to the casino (888). I usually have no balance in my account. I usually go there and practice RC as the cards are being dealt. I was surprised when I saw I had a $10 bonus credited to my account. I said, oh well, let's practice card counting with the bonus. Wouldn't hurt much even if I lost it. So well, it lasted for about two hours with losing count and waiting for the next set of decks to be dealt. Finally with the $10 I was able to make it to $312.50 and only using the RC. I didn't bother to calculate the TC as I am not very confident myself in even trying to remember the RC.
So the thing I did was when the RC was high I would bet like $10 or $20 or $50, and when it's real low (minus) I would just use $5 bet. I had trouble keeping the RC let alone trying to calculate the TC. And sometimes I'd miss out on the RC and i'd just take a approximate value. For example if I'd lost the count like somewhere around +5 I'd probably take an approximate count of +3 or +4 and sometimes I just stop playing and wait for the next set of decks to be dealt. With regards to the hit or stand, I'd take the RC again. If it's a high RC i'd just stand and low, I'd hit.
I know there is much to practice and learn. But just want to share my experience with other novice card counters that it works. At this moment, I feel a little bit more confident. Yesterday, I'd won $100 and thought it was just beginners luck. I tried it today and who knows it's again my luck or rather a card counters luck. :) Oh the $10 bonus was credited due to my deposit of yesterdays $100. :)

Cheers :)
 
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BJgenius007

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Lonesome Gambler said:
I've heard of 888, but do they use an actual shoe? If it's not just a continual shuffle (as I'd assume it is), your TC is simply your RC/unseen cards. Wait, this isn't subtle spam for 888, is it?
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It is not a spam for 888 because everybody knows 888 is giving money to players as long as they are not greedy. 888 is the best online casino. 888 is the only online casino that let most players win some money. In short, if you want to play Blackjack online, you should only go to 888. Because 888 gives away money. It is very easy to win money playing Blackjack at 888.
 
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21gunsalute

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BJgenius007 said:
It is not a spam for 888 because everybody knows 888 is giving money to players as long as they are not greedy. 888 is the best online casino. 888 is the only online casino that let most players win some money. In short, if you want to play Blackjack online, you should only go to 888. Because 888 gives away money. It is very easy to win money playing Blackjack at 888.
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The OP may not have been offering spam, but your post certainly is!
 
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tthree

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jase said:
Okay, I think I understand now. All in all you're saying is, we need to have a RC of +7 or more and -7 or more to determine the actual TC whether it's + or -, right?
And if it's less than +7 or -7 then all TC =0. Hope I am right. :grin:
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You want to be consistent with the way you round you TC. I think flooring is what you are trying to do. RC +7/8 is 0, RC -7/8 is -1. Both are rounded to the next lowest integer.
 
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AussiePlayer

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jase said:
I would like to share one of my experiences today to everyone here and especially to all novice card counters.

Today, I logged on to the casino (888). I usually have no balance in my account. I usually go there and practice RC as the cards are being dealt. I was surprised when I saw I had a $10 bonus credited to my account. I said, oh well, let's practice card counting with the bonus. Wouldn't hurt much even if I lost it. So well, it lasted for about two hours with losing count and waiting for the next set of decks to be dealt. Finally with the $10 I was able to make it to $312.50 and only using the RC. I didn't bother to calculate the TC as I am not very confident myself in even trying to remember the RC.
So the thing I did was when the RC was high I would bet like $10 or $20 or $50, and when it's real low (minus) I would just use $5 bet. I had trouble keeping the RC let alone trying to calculate the TC. And sometimes I'd miss out on the RC and i'd just take a approximate value. For example if I'd lost the count like somewhere around +5 I'd probably take an approximate count of +3 or +4 and sometimes I just stop playing and wait for the next set of decks to be dealt. With regards to the hit or stand, I'd take the RC again. If it's a high RC i'd just stand and low, I'd hit.
I know there is much to practice and learn. But just want to share my experience with other novice card counters that it works. At this moment, I feel a little bit more confident. Yesterday, I'd won $100 and thought it was just beginners luck. I tried it today and who knows it's again my luck or rather a card counters luck. :) Oh the $10 bonus was credited due to my deposit of yesterdays $100. :)

Cheers :)
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that was 101% luck, the running count means nothing, especially with 50% pen.

If you lose the count, STOP playing that shoe and start again at the next shoe, or, even better, don't play until you don't lose the count.

Also, are you even playing BS?

jase said:
With regards to the hit or stand, I'd take the RC again. If it's a high RC i'd just stand and low, I'd hit.

Cheers :)
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J

jase

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AussiePlayer said:
that was 101% luck, the running count means nothing, especially with 50% pen.

If you lose the count, STOP playing that shoe and start again at the next shoe, or, even better, don't play until you don't lose the count.

Also, are you even playing BS?
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Well, I don't know if it's pure luck. I would say a little of this and that. I am not sure luck would make my $10 bonus to like $300?
Yes, I use BS. Just my kind of BS.
 
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J

jase

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tthree said:
You want to be consistent with the way you round you TC. I think flooring is what you are trying to do. RC +7/8 is 0, RC -7/8 is -1. Both are rounded to the next lowest integer.
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I am not sure I understand. Isn't +7/8 is +1? Sorry, I might be wrong. Like I am as new. :grin:
 
J

jase

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today wasn't my day. I haven't lost though but I haven't won either. I was winning but I lost it all back and when I was playing down to my bankroll I quit. Didn't want to lose that either. It was more of even stevens. I started out with $100 and went up to $225. I wanted to make it 325 and I lost. I wanted to increase my bankroll to about 200%.

My guess was I tried to over bet. I did bet $100 at that time and lost it back. I think it was disciplinary issue. Any suggestions from experienced players is most welcome. I would love to hear your suggestions. Any suggestions on how to spread my bettings?
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tthree

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jase said:
I am not sure I understand. Isn't +7/8 is +1? Sorry, I might be wrong. Like I am as new. :grin:
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You need to be consistent with the process. If you are flooring it is 0, if you are ceiling it is +1. Rounding it is also +1. Most recommend flooring so that you have an advantage when you deviate from BS. I feel flooring is important. Others will give you differing opinions. Smaller positive indices have a higher frequency than larger positive indices. That makes the frequency of deviating from BS before it is advantageous significant if you round up your estimation. You are better off losing advantage gained by deviating from BS by waiting for a larger advantage affecting a smaller frequency of lose than deviating from BS before it is advantageous at a higher frequency. In general it costs you less in the long run.
 
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