I would like to progress with CC strategy :)

#1
Hello everyone:)

I'm looking forward to progress current level of CC and played strategy:

1. Trip bankroll 1000£ with regular top up
2. Betting spread is 3 (TC2 nad less)/5(+3TC)/10(+4/+5)/15(6+) and i play 2 hands all the time with TC over -1
3. My local casino has EU no holes standard conditions: P~70-75%, 6D, DAS, S17, resplit Aces, 3:2 BJ, Split any 2,
4. My current strategy is Hi/Lo with deviations in range -1/+5

I have no issue with fast CC and using TC with halves of decks atm and I wonder what other strategy would be usefull with above conditions ( other LV1 balanced or maybe l2?)

Which book would You recommend for next step? ( I have already Wong's "professional BJ" but after quick review i'm looking smg less advanced and with more usefull strategy tips for newbie like me :p

For home practice i'm using mobile CV software so do You maybe have any tips how can i progress with that as well? :)
 

Meistro

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#2
Looks reasonable enough. The two things you need to do now are increase the size of your bankroll and ensure you are employing the strategy accurately. Stick with hi lo.
 

KewlJ

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#6
lostman82 said:
Thank You. And what about a book ?:)
I recommend, Norm Wattenberger's book, Modern Blackjack, which can be read for free at Norm's site. It is the perfect book for newer players just getting started. It covers everything needed and Norm's extensive use of charts and graphs makes everything easy to understand.

The only problem with this recommendation is that you have to go to 'Blackjack the forum' to get/read the book. And that site has a forum which is detrimental to the development of newer players like yourself, with a small group of members who are out of touch with today's games/conditions misleading players with what I consider "voodoo" advice and thoughts. I recommend that you 'tip toe' around the site, read the book, use some of the other features, consider purchasing the software when you are ready, which is top line with outstanding customer support, BUT avoid the message board forum itself.
 
#7
KewlJ said:
I recommend, Norm Wattenberger's book, Modern Blackjack, which can be read for free at Norm's site. It is the perfect book for newer players just getting started. It covers everything needed and Norm's extensive use of charts and graphs makes everything easy to understand.
Disagree. All the data presented therein will just confuse and intimidate newbies...
.... it is strictly a reference-concordance with little initial practical application.
 

KewlJ

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#8
xengrifter said:
Disagree. All the data presented therein will just confuse and intimidate newbies...
.... it is strictly a reference-concordance with little initial practical application.
Really?? Modern Blackjack with all it's charts and graphs designed to easily make things clear will "confuse and intimate" newbies? But you are recommending Blackjack Attack instead? :confused:

BJA3 is the ultimate data and reference guide. No offense to Don, because I love BJA3. That is my top reference book, and I find myself going back and re-reading stuff to refresh my memory. While every serious player reads and owns BJA3, it is not a book that I would recommend to a newer players. o_O

But it's all good. There is plenty to be learned from each. ;)
 
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#9
KewlJ said:
There is plenty to be learned from each. ;)
At least BJA offers some immediate practical playing advice...
...while Modern BJ is best viewed as the result of endless, sleepless, monotonous, late-night simulations.

Neither will substantially aid a raw newbie.

“Any second-rate engineer can make things more complex;
It takes genius and courage to move in the opposite direction.”
― Fritz Schumacher
.....from 'Small Is Beautiful'
 
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#10
Hello everyone:)

So since my last post I've managed double myself:)
Moreover I have now small team which is my GF playing as a flat coverbeter with TC 0+ ( She's now pretty good with moderate dealing CC)

My current conditions:
1. Trip bankroll 2000£ with regular top up
2. Betting spread is:
  • 3 (1 slot under TC1, 2 slots with TC 1+)
  • 5(+2TC)
  • 10(+3)
  • 20(+4)
  • 25(+5)
  • 30(+6)
  • 35(+7)
3. I've just finished "21 as Martial Arts" which is really great book and would like to find next position where I could exploit current game as a teamplay.

Currently I'm a BP and my GF is just flatbetting before me with pure BS. How can we improve it?

P.S. Once I have other person at table I'm playing om my own
 
#11
You can always increase the number of flat betters around the casino floor so that you can play more positive counts. The flat betters will cost you cash but you can play more positive shoes so you should be making more over all.
 
#13
Hi Lostman: Sorry for intruding on your conversation but this was the only way I could figure out how to ask a question about beginning counting. So, here it is: Let's say, for example, that I'm playing with a 6 deck shoe and when the dealing begins for the first round, my running count is plus 8. I then divide the plus 8 by what remains in the shoe for the true count. My question: When the hand is complete and everyone has played their hand and the dealer is getting ready to deal the next hand, do I begin the running count from plus 8 or from the true count that I first calculated at the end of the first hand and then continued with that true count all the way through the play of everyone's hand? Basically, when the round is complete, do I go back to what the running count was at the start of the hand or do I calculate the true count and continue counting from there? Thanks to anyone who can help!
 
#14
You calculate the true count to determine what you're going to bet so if the running count is 8 after the first round of a 6 deck shoe you have a TC of a little over +1 which means you will probably raise your bet slightly, some people wait until +2 and raise more dramatically but that's a different discussion.
When the next round is dealt out you continue to keep track of your running count. You don't convert to your true count and then go from there.
if the next cards delt are A A 2 then your running count is +7 and not 0.
 
#15
Thanks guy. Much appreciated.............. I've been studying the Basic Omega II counting strategy for 6 months and am getting anxious to go to the casino but I'd like to know for sure if I'm ready. Is there a way I can test myself? Also, I wonder if I've chosen a strategy that is too complex because you guys are always talking about the Hi-Lo system. The book I'm reading is called Blackjack for Blood, by Bryce Carlson and it was originally published in 1992 so I'm worried I might be studying an outdated strategy. Any thoughts or comments would be greatly appreciated :).
 

Meistro

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#16
"Is there a way I can test myself?"

Not really. I mean you could record yourself counting down a shoe and then go over the tape, but the problem is you don't know what you don't know. What you really need is for someone who knows what they are doing to review your play.
 
#17
Hey, Basic Omega II is probably just fine. Hi-lo is the most popular counting system because of its strength and simplicity but Basic Omega II will probably get the job done just fine. There are tons of counting systems out there that work.
Before you go make sure you're ready to lose all your money though. I know you're playing with euros but assuming the min bet is 5 euros you're going to be playing with somewhere around 45% ROR.
Make sure you're emotionally and financially able to take the hit.
Don't forget that basic strategy is different for European games with no hole card. I have seen people make the mistake before that they just use the US basic strategy when the dealer peeks for BJ but they're playing a European game.
 
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