If you had the Chance...

[daddybo]

This is probably for the more accomplished and well rounded players on the board, but anyone should feel free to add their "Two Cents".

If you as an individual had the opportunity to shape state level legislation to contol and influence casino gambling; what rules and regulations would you include to...

1. Protect the players
2. Restrict the type and conduct of the games
3. Protect the Casino
4. Construct a tax system designed to encourage the stores to keep the edges low and at the same time produce revenue for the state without causing a conflict for the state between revenue production, citizen protection and Casino profit.
5. Anything else you can think of.


The answers don't need to be limited to Blackjack or even card games. All games rules are important. Feel free to think outside of the box.
PM me if you would rather not post.

this should be interesting... DB

 

[sagefr0g]

i'd see to it that initial cost of participating in any game was not priced out of reasonable ranges so that all the working citizens of the state could afford to participate in the games.
ie. table minimums and or game denominations would not price any working citizen out of the market.

 

[Sucker]

I would follow New Jersey's lead and make sure that the casinos did NOT have the Mafia-like right to bar people for NO reason at all.

 

[Mewtwo]

If I had the ability to do so I would kill off the W-2G. If someone's going to a casino, they're going with money that's been taxed by the government at least once when it was earned. If someone gets lucky and hits big, that money should be exempt from further taxation.

I would be in support of higher gross profit taxes of the casinos to prevent the need to tax player wins.

The other thing would be transparency of records of how much a casino makes from blackjack each year; so long as this number never goes below what the house edge of the game should dictate, then that casino cannot take any measures against card counting (no barrings, no backoffs, no preventing mid-shoe entry, no half-shoeing, no heat, no nothing.) So long as the cost of ploppy errors exceeds the counters' winnings at a casino, then they should have nothing to complain about.

 

[shadroch]

1) eliminate "free drinks".
2) eliminate ATMs within 1,000 feet of any establishment that has gaming.
3) eliminate any kind of players club and or comps.
4) eliminate markers of any kind.

 

[1357111317]

1) eliminate "free drinks".
2) eliminate ATMs within 1,000 feet of any establishment that has gaming.
3) eliminate any kind of players club and or comps.
4) eliminate markers of any kind.

While this would protect the players and reduce problem gambling by a lot this would put a big dent in the casinos profits.

 

[shadroch]

While this would protect the players and reduce problem gambling by a lot this would put a big dent in the casinos profits.

Was I elected to represent the people or the casinos?

 

[Sucker]

1. Protect the players

3. Protect the Casino

Looks to me like you were elected to do BOTH.

 

[shadroch]

Looks to me like you were elected to do BOTH.

Anyone foolish enough to elect me isn't worth protecting.

 

[blackchipjim]

Elected officials?

The very nature of office is prone to corruption. Money and power corrupt so it takes a special person to be in office and not become corrupt. I would have to agree with Shadroch and his conditions because it protects people from themselves and from complusive types from ruin. The pushers love addicts and will give people enticements to come back for more even if it's killing them. Good point Shadroch I wouldn't vote for myself either.

 

[Machinist]

uuuuggghhhh

Man ,, what a list to compile!!! Why do slots have to have holds of upwards of 8 to 10 %? Some of us remember the good old day of a couple % hold.. Remember the mechanical slots?? No damn electronics...How about coins?
It's a scam guys. All because of "Penny Machines".. The thinking was when "true" penny machines came out, that the stores needed a higher hold because they couldnt make that much with these machines because ..well its a penny machine. Not much money could be played through so they made a small ev. So the powers that be allowed them to jack up the rake on these machines... Then all of a sudden here come Australian type video slots. Low and behold they were mostly penny machines!!!! But you could jam 4 bucks a wack if you wanted...And being "penny machines" they could, if they so desired set the machines for a higher hold!!! Being the thiefs they are ,,,greedy thiefs .,, they have been setting them higher and higher. Now people are used to it ...
What happened to the riverboats that used to cruise? They sold that bill of goods well ...
There is a book out there that tells how the big boys got the states to accept gambling boats and what the real agenda was. My brother has read it ,,, i will see if i can find the name of it..The book laid out the master plan of "hooking " states on the Money!!!

Let me keep thinking:whip:

Machinist

 

[shadroch]

As far as I know, the casinos can set the payback at whatever they want as long as its above the legal minimum.There isn't a minimum for penny machines and another for dollar machines.
As I understand it, on some penny mnachines, your payback is actually higher if you bet less than if you bet the max. Take the Star Wars or Wizard of Oz games, as an example. You are not eligible for the million dollar grand jackpot unless you bet the max($3.00) a spin so by betting less than the max you are not contributing to the progressive prize. This will suck if you are the one in three million that hits the right combo to have won the prize, but thats not going to happen anyway.

 

[Brock Windsor]

... If someone's going to a casino, they're going with money that's been taxed by the government at least once when it was earned. .

I can't speak for every store, but I think there is a lot of illegal money flowing through some of the casinos I play at. Spend a little time watching the high limit clientele. Overall I think very low table maximums and eliminating slots would be the best way to protect society and still generate tax revenues. I don't agree with taxing winnings, the tax is in the house edge which generates a taxable revenue for the casino.
-BW

 

[Sharky]

...and eliminating slots would be the best way to protect society and still generate tax revenues
-BW

yeah, problem w/ that is slots are a CASH COW!!!

get rid of them and (further) tighten up the BJ...YIKES!!!

 

[Jozsef]

Being a low stakes player I see just about EVERYONE lose all their money even with favorable rules...

Here's what I would do if I owned a casino

6 dk games
S17,
DOA
Resplit aces
tell the dealers to give "fair" pen
more than 1 re split


I mean, most people can't even play BS very well, so what would be my concern for APs?

now for the high roller tables I would just do a no mid shoe entry and bar anyone who over played his/her welcome.

 

[Machinist]

hmmmm

As far as I know, the casinos can set the payback at whatever they want as long as its above the legal minimum.There isn't a minimum for penny machines and another for dollar machines.
As I understand it, on some penny mnachines, your payback is actually higher if you bet less than if you bet the max. Take the Star Wars or Wizard of Oz games, as an example. You are not eligible for the million dollar grand jackpot unless you bet the max($3.00) a spin so by betting less than the max you are not contributing to the progressive prize. This will suck if you are the one in three million that hits the right combo to have won the prize, but thats not going to happen anyway.[/QUO

Yes they can set the machines at what ever % they want up to the legal limit. My point is because of the penny machines mentality they are setting them as high as " the market will bear" which is different for every market.
They are gouging the idiots that play now....Its not recreation anymore.

Machinist

 

[shadroch]

I've read that in the early sixties, slots would pay out slightly more than 50%, so todays players are much better off.
When Resorts opened in AC, the top slot jackpot was $500 on a two coin dollar slot.

 

[JohnGalt1]

I keep accurate records of my vp, blackjack and horse betting for the IRS and mostly for me.

Since everyone who buys a lottery ticket, makes a bet at the race track or in a casino pays tax up front. Plus few gamblers claim any wins unless they get a w-2g form. Eliminate income taxes on gambling winnings, since the feds and the state would actually collect more from cutting a percentage from the initial bets.

Of course the government--even if it would mean higher tax revenues-- would never propose to eliminate taxes from evil:devil: degenerate:whip: gamblers.

I would still keep records if something like this would ever become law.

 

[tensplitter]

I'd make the rules of the games as part of state law, like what PA is doing. 6 or 8 decks, DAS, Stand on 17, Resplit 3x, 1 card per ace, resplit aces (adds a very small edge to player but it will be good PR), late surrender, Blackjack must pay 3-2 or else the game cannot be called Blackjack and must be approved by the state before being offered, penetration must be between 1/2 deck and 1 deck. Also make it mandatory to offer 1 single deck game for every 3 shoe games open at a time, with the same rules.
Also make it illegal to ban counters, like it is in AC.
I'd have random inspections of the decks of cards to make sure they are all fair with no aces or tens removed or low cards added.

 

[bigplayer]

This is probably for the more accomplished and well rounded players on the board, but anyone should feel free to add their "Two Cents".

If you as an individual had the opportunity to shape state level legislation to contol and influence casino gambling; what rules and regulations would you include to...

1. Protect the players
2. Restrict the type and conduct of the games
3. Protect the Casino
4. Construct a tax system designed to encourage the stores to keep the edges low and at the same time produce revenue for the state without causing a conflict for the state between revenue production, citizen protection and Casino profit.
5. Anything else you can think of.


The answers don't need to be limited to Blackjack or even card games. All games rules are important. Feel free to think outside of the box.
PM me if you would rather not post.

this should be interesting... DB

1. Require all games to be dealt from shoes face up hand shuffled or machine shuffled.
2. Require all players be allowed to play at posted table limits (same as other players) regardless of skill level.
2a Casinos may only use rules, penetration, early shuffles, no-mail status, or uniform table limits for game protection.
3. Force casinos to honor their promotions and advertising.
4. Require casinos to cash their chips without ID or other issues as long as the amount is less than legal limits and no other evidence of multiple transactions exists.
5. No free alcoholic beverages for anyone in the casino.
6. Keep casino taxes low enough to encourage investment and expansion. I would still never consider a rate of less than 20% split in whatever way is appropriate. A percentage of casino profits must go to a fund to reimburse people victimized by theft due to problem gamblers and for gambler rehab programs.
7. Structure gaming to maintain an adversarial role with the casinos and as advocates for the players and fairness.
8. Never allow any single casino company to own more than 10% of the available gaming licenses for any state. Small states should have multiple smaller casinos than one large casino.
9. Very important, make sure state law allows gamblers to offset the wins with losses. Have a relatively low but refundable state withholding tax on jackpots.
10.The house edge and basic rules options for each game must be clearly posted on a plaque at each table. (split pairs, house advantage 0.26%, etc)