Is being thrown out the same as being trespassed?

Automatic Monkey

Automatic Monkey

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Recently I was ejected bodily from a casino, for no reason (i.e., for card counting, not any illegal act) but they never told me I was unwelcome to come back or read the trespass act, just that I had to leave. So does that mean I can go back?

It was kind of a funny ejection- I was winning at a table full of high-rolling Asians and being my max bet was smaller than any of their bets it apparently gave me immunity. The table was full, and a new table opened up behind me so when the count went bad I got up to move, and as soon as I stood up and turned around security and the PC swarmed me and ejected me from the building. What a bunch of jerks, they could have just tapped me out of the game, no reason to do all that.
 
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Mayor

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Did they touch you?

If they put there hands on you, I would recommend you file a police report for "Battery" immediately. There needs to be a record of this for the time someone really needs it.

And no, this is not a trespassing. You can go back any time.
 
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bfbagain

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Sounds like they had enough

If it was where I think it may have been, you have been aware for some time that they have been very proactive in this regard.

Sorry to hear about this. Surveillance is mostly behind their action, as they have been throwing counters out left and right.

I'd wait at least 6 months, change your appearance, get a new teepee card, and try it again.

cheers
bfb
 
Automatic Monkey

Automatic Monkey

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No it wasn't violent

Upon looking it up I guess "bodily" was not quite accurate in the sense in which the word is commonly used, they didn't grab me, just surrounded me, made me walk to the cashiers cage to cash out then out the door.(Note to bfbagain, this was in MS not an Indian place.) Still, disturbing, as the punishment did not fit the crime. As I was being walked I told them I wasn't planning to fight or resist so there was no need for any of this but they continued. If they roughed me up, my plan would be to take a dive and request an ambulance, and let the lawyers agree on a dollar amount.

Glad to know I wasn't trespassed. That's silly, they'd be better off just backing me off and trespassing me, rather than risking a violent incident with the way they handled it and still allowing me to legally come back in the future. Must have been the work of some inexperienced game protection people.
 
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bfbagain

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As you know, words are important

Although, if you hadn't used the word "bodily", I might not have responded. :)

The threat and intimidation factor is just as disconcerting, and IMO, is almost as bad as physical contact, in that it is public, and gives the impression that you were doing something wrong, e.g., a casino discovered a cheater and was throwing them out. And, for those reading, is precisely what they are trying to convey, as well as tossing an "undesirable."

I'm glad to hear it wasn't your home turf, as they have become much more frisky.

As to trespassing, it is a bit odd, seeing how they "dealt" with you, that they didn't tell you that you couldn't play BJ, but could play other games (a normal backoff), yet, did everything in how a normal trespassing is done, minus reading the trespass act.

I don't recall what the MS law is in this regard, as I have only received a normal backoff in MS. Maybe someone who plays often there can clarify this.

I would be cautious in playing at other "linked" properties for the time being. I can assure you, sadly, that if it was at a property that is also in LV, it will hurt in LV as well. CZE (now Harrahs) immediately comes to mind, but hey, I'm a forgetful type person. :)

Was this at a DD game?

cheers
bfb
 
Automatic Monkey

Automatic Monkey

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Yes, DD

There was no question as to the message they were trying to convey! It's just odd that they didn't actually say it, no trespass act.

My home turf, CT, I haven't noticed any heat. Pen has gotten worse at one of the stores but that has always been very cyclical, ranging from 1 to 2 decks. But something very good has happened at the other one.
 
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Victoria

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policy?

In my experience and those of relatives and others who count.

Caesar's properties tended to back you off of blackjack with a classy approach
Harrah's properties tended to use the instant, classless 86 approach.

As they meld together under the Harrah's banner, I would think the classless approach will take over.

Victoria
 
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stainless steel rat

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whoops...

I play DD on the MS coast regularly. Any "hint" as to where this might be? One game I play is at what might be considered the "classiest" casino on the coast, the other good DD/SD stuff is over in Gulfport. I've not been tossed nor bugged, but advance warning would be nice. :)
 
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