Just need to vent - reassurance, anyone? :-)

[Jumpfreak888]

Worst negative fluctuation I've ever hit.

Playing a double-deck game with great penetration, 1-6 spread. The count hardly ever called for a large bet (rather, it was mostly negative) so I flat bet a measly $5 a majority of the time. Within 2 hours, I was down $260. At one point I'm pretty sure that I lost a good 9 hands in a row. The dealer couldn't believe how 'unlucky' I was and why I kept playing.

Being fed up, I decided to aggresively wong for a while. (yes, the double-deck game allows mid entry) After an hour of doing so (and hopping out on all negative counts) I only salvaged $10 of my dollars.

Ick. Hope that never happens again...

 

[EasyRhino]

Yep, that's indeed shitty.

On a couple of occassions, I've gone through shitty losing streaks at a table, and I think the dealers became confused at why I didn't leave the table.

 

[golfnut101]

try this one on...

wong in on a great shoe. Count gets absurd(+23 adjusted KO running count)i'd say +5tc. Finally, I start to recover. Last hand, I lay out 12 units, get a solid 20 vs dealer 6, hehe, clear sailing, right ? Dealer draws paint...and a 5.
The lovely world of advantage play. But, I know I will do it again in a heart beat.

hang in their

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Ick. Hope that never happens again...

Sorry, it will. That was only 60 units. That's nothing. Losing 100 units per night is routine, as is winning 110 units per night.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Yep, that's indeed shitty.

On a couple of occassions, I've gone through shitty losing streaks at a table, and I think the dealers became confused at why I didn't leave the table.

I just tell them I'm a compulsive gambler and an alcoholic, sobbing and wondering out loud how I'm going to pay my bills this week. I've had dealers and PC's beg me to leave the table and go get some help. That's the only part that bothers me a little, because I'm messing with people's heads and the dealer and PC didn't do anything to deserve to have their day darkened like that.

One time I wanted to clear out a table, so I resorted to the worst psycho cover of all. After a brief losing streak, I drunkenly told everyone I was losing because God hates me because of what I did with my sister when I was a kid. Then I get everyone at the table to forswear incest so this never happens to them.

Empty table in one minute! But you don't do anything like that any place but Atlantic City at 4 AM, because you don't want to get tossed for behavior, and still you only do it when you really have to because you don't know how civilians are going to react to a comment like that. You could end up rolling around on the floor with someone, and not in a good way either.

 

[JoeV]

I just tell them I'm a compulsive gambler and an alcoholic, sobbing and wondering out loud how I'm going to pay my bills this week. I've had dealers and PC's beg me to leave the table and go get some help. That's the only part that bothers me a little, because I'm messing with people's heads and the dealer and PC didn't do anything to deserve to have their day darkened like that.

One time I wanted to clear out a table, so I resorted to the worst psycho cover of all. After a brief losing streak, I drunkenly told everyone I was losing because God hates me because of what I did with my sister when I was a kid. Then I get everyone at the table to forswear incest so this never happens to them.

Empty table in one minute! But you don't do anything like that any place but Atlantic City at 4 AM, because you don't want to get tossed for behavior, and still you only do it when you really have to because you don't know how civilians are going to react to a comment like that. You could end up rolling around on the floor with someone, and not in a good way either.

Monkey you sound like you are nuts! My question is, is it neccessary to have to put on such an act? I never could pull off someting like that, and I don't think I would even try. If I don't play any real role at the table will it eventually cut my playing time down? I am not much of an actor, do I have to be to be a great AP?

 

[Sonny]

Sorry, it will. That was only 60 units. That's nothing. Losing 100 units per night is routine, as is winning 110 units per night.

Amen brother! 60 units is par for the course. The swings will usually be within 50-60 units per hour so anything can happen over the course of an evening.

-Sonny-

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Monkey you sound like you are nuts! My question is, is it neccessary to have to put on such an act? I never could pull off someting like that, and I don't think I would even try. If I don't play any real role at the table will it eventually cut my playing time down? I am not much of an actor, do I have to be to be a great AP?

At a high level, yes. By high level I mean thousands of dollars per hand, something I'm nowhere near yet. But sometimes I'll do an extreme act like that for a very specific purpose, like clearing a table, or distracting a dealer/PC. It isn't recommended to do it all the time, just when you need it.

 

[sagefr0g]

Sorry, it will. That was only 60 units. That's nothing. Losing 100 units per night is routine, as is winning 110 units per night.

Amen brother! 60 units is par for the course. The swings will usually be within 50-60 units per hour so anything can happen over the course of an evening.

-Sonny-

:eyepatch: Sonny and Auto Monkey cold blooded nerves of steel. don't know how you guys do it.

 

[Jumpfreak888]

Yeah, you guys are right. As stanford wong once put it,

"You must be able to lose a lot of money. You do not want to lose, but you will lose frequently. You will win frequently too, and over the long haul, you are certain to win more than you lose, but the long haul may be a long time in coming."

and of course, the famous,

"You must be cold and calculating. Steely blue eyes wil do."

I feel a bit better after sleeping on it, haha.

 

[golfnut101]

side splitter

Hey Monkey

Im rolling on the floor after reading that one !

 

[Mimosine]

One time I wanted to clear out a table, so I resorted to the worst psycho cover of all. After a brief losing streak, I drunkenly told everyone I was losing because God hates me because of what I did with my sister when I was a kid. Then I get everyone at the table to forswear incest so this never happens to them.

what were the conditions that warranted such an act of genius???
inquiring minds....

 

[Automatic Monkey]

what were the conditions that warranted such an act of genius???
inquiring minds....

I was getting really good pen, but slow play, less than a hand a minute due to people half asleep at the table so I figured I could triple my win rate by sending them elsewhere.

 

[Mimosine]

I was getting really good pen, but slow play, less than a hand a minute due to people half asleep at the table so I figured I could triple my win rate by sending them elsewhere.

i was imagining a monster + count, in conjunction with a mispaying, holecard flashing dealer!

don't get me wrong, i love good penetration as much as the next guy...

 

[ihate17]

But

Yeah, you guys are right. As stanford wong once put it,


and of course, the famous,

"You must be cold and calculating. Steely blue eyes wil do."

While you may need to be cold and calculating, you need to do this while not appearing to be cold and calculating.

ihate17

 

[Bojack1]

Getting the pit to look at you as a deviant is probably one of the worst things you can do. You can remove players from the table through play that they don't quite understand, but when you alienate workers of the house they will look for a reason to remove you. Over the top theatrics work best in theory not in actuality. Becoming repulsive does nothing for your EV. As a matter of fact couple that with with trackable advantage play and you are now not only done but you are marked. Play a smart game, don't buy in to theatrics it just isn't condusive to long term. Once you play large enough to be questioned make up a believable every day story of what you're about and they will love you and not try to think of ways to get rid of the child molester.

 

[ScottH]

Ick. Hope that never happens again...

I hate to be a party pooper, but worse will happen to you eventually!

 

[ihate17]

Add an additional point here

Getting the pit to look at you as a deviant is probably one of the worst things you can do. You can remove players from the table through play that they don't quite understand, but when you alienate workers of the house they will look for a reason to remove you. Over the top theatrics work best in theory not in actuality. Becoming repulsive does nothing for your EV. As a matter of fact couple that with with trackable advantage play and you are now not only done but you are marked. Play a smart game, don't buy in to theatrics it just isn't condusive to long term. Once you play large enough to be questioned make up a believable every day story of what you're about and they will love you and not try to think of ways to get rid of the child molester.

Never run off the casino's favorite high rolling ploppy or even piss him off too much. If you have one of their favorite whales at your table keep him there, run off others if you can, but this guy is getting friendly attention from the pit and will always have their ear if he complains about you. On the other hand, they may very well ignore your play while he is there. I tend to make friends with this type of player.

ihate17

 

[Kasi]

The swings will usually be within 50-60 units per hour so anything can happen over the course of an evening.

Boy these seem like big swings to me. You're saying 50-60 units (assuming unit is min bet) would be like within 1 standard deviation?

I guess it depends on the usual culprits but in general it just sounds like alot to me.

I mean certainly possible but perhaps not usual?

Of course a mostly min flat better like me has trouble relating to losses like this. And wins too!

 

[Kasi]

I just tell them I'm a compulsive gambler and an alcoholic, sobbing and wondering out loud how I'm going to pay my bills this week.

I was just wondering what exactly are the obligations of a casino these days in relation to a compulsive gambler crying for help? Are there any circumstances under which they would intervene?

I'm almost surprised they wouldn't just shut u off like a bartender to a drunk.

But I guess greed rules all!?