Keep this one quiet.

[Katweezel]

Here is my first BJ voodoo system I've posted here. As anything in life these days is not free, and anything free is not valued, then I figure say, $19-95 should be a reasonable price for it. ($995 would be more realistic, but...) If you read it, just slip a lazy twenty in my Santa stocking very soon. Yep, I take rain checks. You won't know for sure if this is serious or not. To find out, why don't you test it? Here goes.

Most of us silly, uninformed, uneducated, underperforming, unloved and probably unwashed card counters have believed all these years that the most important hand on the BJ table is YOUR hand. Wrong. The most important hand on the table is the Dealer Hand. It holds the power of life and death over you, mere mortal.

Even the Great BJ Guru-Authors don't really pay all that much attention to the dealer hand, apart from telling us over and over that the dealer will enjoy a whopping 28.20% average bust rate. (Oh, yeah, tell us again, please. We first knew that from Moses!)

That figure is incredibly high, don't you think? A massive 28.20% V the average bust for the perfect BS player - a shade under 16%. So we go in to bat using that 28.20% figure. In a 6-deck game, with say, 5 players and 75 pen, there will likely be around 80 hands and 16 rounds. Simple math says the dealer, on average will score around 5 busts for this shoe. Of course, it could be more, or less, but we need to have a reference point, to start with, do we not. You got a better one?

Now here comes the crunch. (Keep this quiet, as we don't want to alert all those doofus pitcritters out there.) If the dealer busts once in her first three hands - that is a sign from heaven just for you. You can expect to wind up ahead (flat betting perfect BS) around 70% of shoes that begin like that. Even better for two dealer busts, first three rounds. Even better for 3. (The 70% goes up to near 80%.)

Notice I said around 70% win for one dealer bust. I did NOT say 100%. (I know all Doofus' are not pitcritters!) Of course, wiseguy card counters (and now dealer-bust-trackers) like you, realize that should Lady Unluck unsmile on you today, this shoe could see you stranded up **** creek without a paddle if this shoe dbust total stays at that miserable ONE. But smart dude that you are, you know that could happen in this game where anything can happen. 30% is where those examples mostly go.

Now all you flatbetters out there, if there is NO dealer bust in the first three rounds, take a leak, then get a drink and watch, while you wait for the NEXT shoe.

There it is. Like most genius systems, this one is simple. Even for you.
Don't forget that lazy twenty.

 

[SleightOfHand]

Sorry to say...

but even as voodoo strategies goes, that was pretty awful. How did you come up with this conclusion that you will win 70% of hands where the dealer busts 1 of his first 3 hands? I don't see any connection between a single early loss to the entire rest of the shoe being profitable. Also, even though you at least looked at the statistical conclusions of studies, you ignored the win/loss rate of the same studies. Sure the dealer may have a higher chance of busting compared to the player. But the point of the game isn't to prevent busting, its to beat the dealer. Take a look at some of those numbers and see how you are flawed.

Give good evidence (using a simulator with a billion rounds) that you are right, and I'll gladly pay that $1000 for a 40% advantage. Hmm you didn't leave an address...

 

[Katweezel]

Well I'll be floored!

but even as voodoo strategies goes, that was pretty awful. How did you come up with this conclusion that you will win 70% of hands where the dealer busts 1 of his first 3 hands? I don't see any connection between a single early loss to the entire rest of the shoe being profitable. Also, even though you at least looked at the statistical conclusions of studies, you ignored the win/loss rate of the same studies. Sure the dealer may have a higher chance of busting compared to the player. But the point of the game isn't to prevent busting, its to beat the dealer. Take a look at some of those numbers and see how you are flawed.

Give good evidence (using a simulator with a billion rounds) that you are right, and I'll gladly pay that $1000 for a 40% advantage. Hmm you didn't leave an address...

Hey, Slei... boy that's a mouthful of a name you got there. Hard to spell, too...I thought mine was bad enough...
I didn't leave any address or details because sometimes, people who don't have your high level of integrity can use that for their less than wholesome purposes. Not that I don't trust you. I don't trust... err, some. Besides, if I remain anon, then you won't pigeon-hole me, maybe.

It would cost me far more than one grand to do your one billion sim, just to collect one measley grand from you! Whattya think, I'm made of money! It's hard to come by these days, with every pitcritter breathing down my neck.

I certainly am not going to spill the beans on how I came up with that system; the Sorcerer would kill me!

Your obviously well-read math stuff in your reply looked like you just closed a Snyder or Schlesinger book, two notorious voodoo-haters. Does either of them play BJ anymore? Their math-nonsense has no place in voodoo houses like this, and frankly neither does yours.

Like I said, why don't you try it out first. This system could well be flawed, but if it isn't, you may well be floored!

 

[Slick Vic]

It would cost me far more than one grand to do your one billion sim, just to collect one measley grand from you! Whattya think, I'm made of money! It's hard to come by these days, with every pitcritter breathing down my neck.

If this is such an easy win system, you damn well should be made of money...

 

[blackchipjim]

systems

I heard of a system similiar to the one your're touting. It was based on the same assumptions only on the other hand. You stay at a table as long as you don't lose five hands in a row.When you lose five hands in a row not counting pushes you leave the table. I assume that you have no data to back up your claims of success. blackchipjim

 

[sagefr0g]

....
That figure is incredibly high, don't you think? A massive 28.20% V the average bust for the perfect BS player - a shade under 16%. So we go in to bat using that 28.20% figure. In a 6-deck game, with say, 5 players and 75 pen, there will likely be around 80 hands and 16 rounds. Simple math says the dealer, on average will score around 5 busts for this shoe. Of course, it could be more, or less, but we need to have a reference point, to start with, do we not. You got a better one?

Now here comes the crunch. (Keep this quiet, as we don't want to alert all those doofus pitcritters out there.) If the dealer busts once in her first three hands - that is a sign from heaven just for you. You can expect to wind up ahead (flat betting perfect BS) around 70% of shoes that begin like that. Even better for two dealer busts, first three rounds. Even better for 3. (The 70% goes up to near 80%.)
.....

why would you expect to wind up ahead 70% to 80% of shoes that begin like that?

 

[Katweezel]

Kitchen table system

why would you expect to wind up ahead 70% to 80% of shoes that begin like that?

Ok Sage, you asked for it. Now didn't I say to try it out first? But you want the ins and outs of it and the proof to be delivered right to your door, like a pizza.
Just because you are my only friend here so far, here now, just for you, is the lowdown.
I began Research and Analaysis of this system in 1924, and the R & A continued (without me setting foot inside a casino) until I had it down pat. 168,582,379 hands later, (all played on my kitchen table) I was ready. All my records are written in 4 million small notebooks. I then paid good money to a series of Tarot card readers before I asked for a Blessing from The Pope, before finally, I paid big bucks to...The Sorcerer, who gave me the goahead.

So, in the 12 months I have been using it, I have won...$8.5 Billion, less tax, less the Pope's cut, less 10% for the Mob.

As a personal favor, I am prepared to send you 2 million of my small notebooks, so you can verfy my figures, scientifically. If you want to consult Snyder or Schlesinger for math-help, that's ok by me.

I am waiving the 20 fee because you have a lot of notebook reading to do. K

 

[sagefr0g]

Ok Sage, you asked for it. Now didn't I say to try it out first? But you want the ins and outs of it and the proof to be delivered right to your door, like a pizza.
Just because you are my only friend here so far, here now, just for you, is the lowdown.
I began Research and Analaysis of this system in 1924, and the R & A continued (without me setting foot inside a casino) until I had it down pat. 168,582,379 hands later, (all played on my kitchen table) I was ready. All my records are written in 4 million small notebooks. I then paid good money to a series of Tarot card readers before I asked for a Blessing from The Pope, before finally, I paid big bucks to...The Sorcerer, who gave me the goahead.

So, in the 12 months I have been using it, I have won...$8.5 Billion, less tax, less the Pope's cut, less 10% for the Mob.

As a personal favor, I am prepared to send you 2 million of my small notebooks, so you can verfy my figures, scientifically. If you want to consult Snyder or Schlesinger for math-help, that's ok by me.

I am waiving the 20 fee because you have a lot of notebook reading to do. K

lol, (whoops sorry). can i have the pizza instead.
hmm, ok i thought you was gonna quote Weaver in Lady Luck The Theory of Probability page 51 refering to Pacal and the problem he worked out regading the idea that the amount of the prize any contestant deserved, in a partial game, should depend on the probability that this particular player would win the game, were it carried to it's conclusion. and how Pascal worked out in detail, how the probability of winning could be calculated from a knowledge of the nature of the game and the partial score of each contestant.
that sorta of thing.

 

[SleightOfHand]

It would cost me far more than one grand to do your one billion sim, just to collect one measley grand from you! Whattya think, I'm made of money! It's hard to come by these days, with every pitcritter breathing down my neck.

With $8.5 Billion, I would think that you were pretty close to being made of money...

Your obviously well-read math stuff in your reply looked like you just closed a Snyder or Schlesinger book, two notorious voodoo-haters. Does either of them play BJ anymore? Their math-nonsense has no place in voodoo houses like this, and frankly neither does yours.

Like I said, why don't you try it out first. This system could well be flawed, but if it isn't, you may well be floored!

I suppose that I was unfair in the sense that I am very biased against voodoo. It seems clear that we are not going to be able to agree much of anything. Good luck to you

 

[davidmcclung]

When dealer busts:

Kat: I agree that there is often something positive going on when the dealer busts especially on double deck games, not sure of the logic however. My scheme works best on double deck games, compared to six decks or more. No need to wait out the initial three hands per your scheme. I have played several sessions lately for wins by doing the following: Playing double deck. Starting at $10 mins then after each dealer bust upping my bet by one unit, no regression, and keep upping my bet by one unit after every bust until the next shuffle. If no dealer busts, then bet remains at $10 throughout the hands until the next shuffle. $500 session bankroll. Example: initial bet is always $10, dealer does not bust so next bet remains at $10, next dealer busts so next bet goes to $15, dealer busts so next bet goes to $20, dealer does not bust so next bet is $20 etc. Whether I win or lose does not have any bearing on the next bet, just whether or not the dealer busts. Now the math purists and even myself do not see any logic to this, BUT in actual casino play it works quite well as I am sure you know, at least so far it has worked very well overall for me. This voodoo scheme has excellent potential(do need more sessions for confirmation) and my gambling bankroll likes it....

 

[Katweezel]

Join the club

Kat: I agree that there is often something positive going on when the dealer busts especially on double deck games, not sure of the logic however. My scheme works best on double deck games, compared to six decks or more. No need to wait out the initial three hands per your scheme. I have played several sessions lately for wins by doing the following: Playing double deck. Starting at $10 mins then after each dealer bust upping my bet by one unit, no regression, and keep upping my bet by one unit after every bust until the next shuffle. If no dealer busts, then bet remains at $10 throughout the hands until the next shuffle. $500 session bankroll. Example: initial bet is always $10, dealer does not bust so next bet remains at $10, next dealer busts so next bet goes to $15, dealer busts so next bet goes to $20, dealer does not bust so next bet is $20 etc. Whether I win or lose does not have any bearing on the next bet, just whether or not the dealer busts. Now the math purists and even myself do not see any logic to this, BUT in actual casino play it works quite well as I am sure you know, at least so far it has worked very well overall for me. This voodoo scheme has excellent potential(do need more sessions for confirmation) and my gambling bankroll likes it....

Hi David, Congratulations on your ingenuity and colossal gall in ignoring so-called logic, math geeks and mass belief. You have worked out for yourself that BJ can be more than just math figures. There should be one very important arbiter to listen to with this; amid the voodoo din here: Your bankroll. If she likes it, who cares about detail? Go in hard, mate. Next year, write a book about it!

 

[SleightOfHand]

I'm just curious

does it make a difference if its SD or 8D? Seems like 8D games could be much more valueble with your voodoo strat.

 

[Katweezel]

Sleightly more

does it make a difference if its SD or 8D? Seems like 8D games could be much more valueble with your voodoo strat.

I (K) will answer your Q first, just in case the Q was addressed to me. David, if he wishes, can add his comments, if you were asking him. With luck, you might catch two big fish in one net!

For somebody with your name, and that nifty picture, it's no real surprise to find you asking about this simple, but brilliant...system, way down here in Voodoo Land. Of course, there is a lot more than meets the eye with this, which you no doubt 'sensed,' with that finely tuned intuitive-Sleightof. Now that some other possible genius has popped up with what looks like corroborating evidence, you don't want to miss the boat, am I correct? You may well be beating the rush, mate.

6 decks or 8 decks makes no difference. Mine was designed for a land where they don't give us anything other than 6 or 8 decks; the miserable so-and-sos. There, more of the cat is out of the bag. That should keep you happy while you spend the next 6 months collecting good money with this. (Don't forget where you found it!) Best of luck mate.

 

[SleightOfHand]

For somebody with your name, and that nifty picture, it's no real surprise to find you asking about this simple, but brilliant...system, way down here in Voodoo Land. Of course, there is a lot more than meets the eye with this, which you no doubt 'sensed,' with that finely tuned intuitive-Sleightof. Now that some other possible genius has popped up with what looks like corroborating evidence, you don't want to miss the boat, am I correct? You may well be beating the rush, mate.

lol did you forget who I was?

Hey, Slei... boy that's a mouthful of a name you got there. Hard to spell, too...I thought mine was bad enough...

Anyway, I was just curious. Still not convinced though.

 

[Katweezel]

Curiouser and curiouser...

lol did you forget who I was?



Anyway, I was just curious. Still not convinced though.

Hey Slei...Now how could anybody ever forget such an unforgettable name and picture?

 

[davidmcclung]

Dealer Bust Scheme

As we know, double deck has the lower house advantage compared to six and eight deck games, and even better than single deck with the revised rules of single deck, so it is only logical that most schemes will work better with DD. But more importantly, lower volatility with double deck than the six and eights, so LESS session bankroll is required. The highest bet I have been up to with double deck starting at $10 and increasing by $5 after every bust is just $35 and that was only once, normal is max bet of about $20. Now if no busts after many hands, CHANGE tables, as you will likely be in a losing trend, but stick to this Dealer Bust and increase bet scheme and continue playing, and make sure to have the proper bankroll....Kat: I got the basic idea from your post as to the dealer bust from you so THANKS. Wasnt sure if you were all that serious in your original post but found out that it works very well.. I just tweaked it for the better double decks that we have down here in Ms and revised my ole NO RETREAT scheme to base it on dealer busts instead of the player winning hand scheme.

 

[standard toaster]

heres my voodoo system that seems to be similar to yours i have made almost 200k in the last 5 days with it lets see a card counter do that!

I watch the deck for a while and count the number of red cards that come out. If in the first three hands the dealer has had >50% red cards (the color of the devil) i will not play with this individual again. If a dealer is mostly black i will sit down and put out a max but through the entire shoe. This is beyond any math and i wish the counters would get some faith and just go on luck, superstition and obvious signs to make their money. What a waste of time counting and gaining a scrawny 3% (at most) "advantage." Counters are a weird lot they never listen to us in the voodoo section because they think there way is the only way that will work in the long run. If you look at my strategy you can see it is based on a being greater than us and as long as i respect him he will do good onto me.


btw ill take a pizza too

 

[Kasi]

... can i have the pizza instead...

That's exactly why you are The Wise One :grin:

This Grasshopper obviously has such a long way to go as I couldn't see the +EV with 0% ROR amongst all the ripples his stone created in the pond.

 

[takinfromindians97]

stop this right now

I never thought that anyone on this site would really get to this level. This will absoultly not work whatsoever. So your telling me that if the dealer busts the first 3 hands that i will have almost an 80% chance of walking out of there with money. Let me play devils advocate here, what of he kicks me in the pants the next say 15 or 20 hands? What happens to your system then. I know that you cant possibly think that the first 3 hands can determine the outcome of 416 cards. Lets say there are five people at the table and even though on average 1 person uses about 2.5 to 2.7 cards per hand. SO to be safe ill even say 3 cards, so 5x3=15 cards each round now
15x3=45 cards used in the first 3 hands now add another 9 for the dealer and we have 54 cards used up in 3 hands that leaves 364 that is more then a 6 deck shoe. So then obviously unless this doesnt work on a 6 deck shoe the out come can again be affected. Obviously if it makes a difference in a 6 deck shoe it should make a difference still after 3 hands of an 8 deck shoe. This didnt really come out how i want it to but im sure you guys all get the main point which is, THERE IS NO WAY THIS IF FEASIBLE. Nice try buddy but none of these schemes work i never understand why people try this ****, card counting has been around forever you dont think there was someone who tried and failed with all these voodoo schemes. I think you should stop wasting time being lazy and trying to find a quick way to money and start practicing a more difficult count or shuffle tracking, something that we all know has proven itself throughout the tests of time. Sorry if i sound mean in this but its time someone put a stop to this nonsense.

 

[standard toaster]

I never thought that anyone on this site would really get to this level. This will absoultly not work whatsoever. So your telling me that if the dealer busts the first 3 hands that i will have almost an 80% chance of walking out of there with money. Let me play devils advocate here, what of he kicks me in the pants the next say 15 or 20 hands? What happens to your system then. I know that you cant possibly think that the first 3 hands can determine the outcome of 416 cards. Lets say there are five people at the table and even though on average 1 person uses about 2.5 to 2.7 cards per hand. SO to be safe ill even say 3 cards, so 5x3=15 cards each round now
15x3=45 cards used in the first 3 hands now add another 9 for the dealer and we have 54 cards used up in 3 hands that leaves 364 that is more then a 6 deck shoe. So then obviously unless this doesnt work on a 6 deck shoe the out come can again be affected. Obviously if it makes a difference in a 6 deck shoe it should make a difference still after 3 hands of an 8 deck shoe. This didnt really come out how i want it to but im sure you guys all get the main point which is, THERE IS NO WAY THIS IF FEASIBLE. Nice try buddy but none of these schemes work i never understand why people try this ****, card counting has been around forever you dont think there was someone who tried and failed with all these voodoo schemes. I think you should stop wasting time being lazy and trying to find a quick way to money and start practicing a more difficult count or shuffle tracking, something that we all know has proven itself throughout the tests of time. Sorry if i sound mean in this but its time someone put a stop to this nonsense.

so your telling me that all his testing and 3 million notebooks billions of dollars and fool proof scheme was all a lie to himself?!

just look at this math! surely he is a better mathmatician than you are

Now here comes the crunch. (Keep this quiet, as we don't want to alert all those doofus pitcritters out there.) If the dealer busts once in her first three hands - that is a sign from heaven just for you. You can expect to wind up ahead (flat betting perfect BS) around 70% of shoes that begin like that. Even better for two dealer busts, first three rounds. Even better for 3. (The 70% goes up to near 80%.

"There it is. Like most genius systems, this one is simple. Even for you.
Don't forget that lazy twenty."