Kicked out for Counting

you have many options my friend.
-go to the next casino on your list, and play blackjack there.
-have lunch.
-arrange for a show that interests you.
-go to your hotel and take a nap.

DONT!
-take a card with a picture of a young lady on it, and make a phone call.
-go to the crazy horse and purchase high priced lingerie. (this is not advantage play)
-argue and fight with the casino's 300 lb. "security guard" who might be escorting you an area where the cafe staff throw out garbage.
 
without details, here is a real tip

Backoffs happen and eventually they happen to everyone. They are no big deal but my tip to you is look at everything that happened and see if there is something you can learn from the experience to help prevent it happening elsewhere as quickly.
Look at how you played, how long you played and things like that.
Look at what kind of casino it was, average bets of other players, casino rep as sweat shop or not, so called tells by pit etc.
Try to see if there was a point where you knew or should have known that it was coming but you stayed.

Anyway, simply see if there is something you can learn from the backoff.

ihate17
 
howd they know, were you actually counting?

8mEtHoDz said:
I was recently told to stop playing Blackjack at a Las Vegas Casino.
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tell us......what do you think you did that made it happen?
when, or how did they figure you out?

you did not say in your post, were you just playing bs and flat betting or what?
 
rdorange said:
tell us......what do you think you did that made it happen?
when, or how did they figure you out?

you did not say in your post, were you just playing bs and flat betting or what?
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Well im pretty sure when i took insurance on a huge bet it prob put the spotlight on me. I guess i should of left then. It was the first time i had been backed off so i wasn't entirely sure how stealthy i needed to be. Played for ~2 hours at 2 diff tables with a pretty aggressive spread. Like one poster said im kind of glad it happened because now i can analyze it and avoid making the same mistakes in the future. My original purpose for the thread was to pick up any personal experience tips for avoiding heat.
 
8mEtHoDz said:
Well im pretty sure when i took insurance on a huge bet it prob put the spotlight on me. I guess i should of left then. It was the first time i had been backed off so i wasn't entirely sure how stealthy i needed to be. Played for ~2 hours at 2 diff tables with a pretty aggressive spread. Like one poster said im kind of glad it happened because now i can analyze it and avoid making the same mistakes in the future. My original purpose for the thread was to pick up any personal experience tips for avoiding heat.
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If you think you are getting heat. When big bet is out and the dealer asks for insurance I take it, but I make sure to make some comment that makes me sound like a normal gambler. One example having a 20 and tell dealer I have to protect my good hand. After I was backed off the first time I analyzed the last part of my sesssion. Now I am more aware of PC's and when it is time to run.
 
There are few things greater in this game than insuring that huge bet and winning. But yes, you wonder when they'll catch on that you never insure those small bets.

Some of my favorite things to say when insuring:
"Damn..why do you always have to do this when I have the big money out!?"

Pat hands are easy: "Gotta protect this".

For stiffs, I like..."It's the only way I'm gonna win with this crap".

The best, is when you have a BJ...just say it nice and loud like a ploppy..."Even money!". And throw those cards down just like you're the long downtrodden ploppy who knows that dealer is gonna ruin your BJ again and knows that Even Money is the "smart" way to play BJ.

Thankfully, I've never had the slightest amount of heat. But my spread is very conservative. And I make sure I look and act like any other suburban tourist in Vegas.

In any case, proper insurance betting is HUGE for your EV. Do everything you can to take it everytime the count calls for it.

Cheers,
CP
 
Insure, then surrender a stiff

Funny thing, when no one already suspects you of being a counter, you can do this and the dealer and other players will know you to be a pure idiot.

If the pit is already not sure about you or worse, if they have called the eye to evaluate you, your next move should be towards the exit.

ihate17
 
Is it true you can't be backed off in AC? I'm thinking not, since it's private property, but they could have you flat bet.
 
hopson77 said:
Is it true you can't be backed off in AC?
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Yup! The courts ruled that it is illegal for the AC casinos to discriminate against smart players.

hopson77 said:
I'm thinking not, since it's private property, but they could have you flat bet.
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They can still restrict your betting range, shuffle up, or reduce the penetration if they suspect you of counting.

-Sonny-
 
I read on bj21.com that a pit boss back counting the discards is a version of heat. How does this constitute any level of heat? Am I missing something?
 
hopson77 said:
I read on bj21.com that a pit boss back counting the discards is a version of heat. How does this constitute any level of heat? Am I missing something?
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Think about it a bit. Say you are playing a double deck game. Pit Boss sees you making minimum bets for quite a few shuffles. Then he starts noticing that you ramp up every once in a while and get good hands. He get a bit suspicious. He sees you place a large bet after a minimum bet and grabs the cards from the discard tray and counts them and sees that the count was high before the hand was dealt that you bet large on. I'd be cashing in about that time and moving on.

He could be just checking the cards for damage, but chances are, he's seen some sort of red flag and is verifying it.
 
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