KISS COUNT III for this game ok ?

[beyondbj]

my game is six deck , 67% pen.

house edge is 0.264

bet spread is 100-1000

my bankroll is 40000

so i dont want to overbet under the kiss count 23 index for my top bet

i will adjust to :

20 - 3 units 22 - 5 units 25 - 8 units 27 - 10 units

it plays about 4 shoes per hour , what will be my hourly return ?

and i want to diverisfy the risk by

open 3/5 hands for 20/22, and open 4/5 hands for 25/27

 

[beyondbj]

and whats my risk of ruin ?

 

[beyondbj]

hi renzey,

i changed a little bit on your method

i count all 2s as +1

and count only black 7 as +1

will i get a better return ? :grin:

 

[beyondbj]

one more thing,

i will bet 1.5 units

for 14+ in first deck

16+ in second deck

18+ in third deck

 

[Renzey]

one more thing,

i will bet 1.5 units

for 14+ in first deck

16+ in second deck

18+ in third deck

Using a 1-to-10 spread and with a 2 deck cutoff and reaching 10 units at "27" is a slow ramp. You really should speed it up some.

You are in effect using the Red 7 Count, and it is fine. It will perform on a par with KISS III.

With only 40 max bets in your master bankroll, your ROR will be pretty high. Something like 40-to-400 would be more efficient.

You really shouldn't modify the point where you begin to raise your bets because of your current depth in the shoe. Both KISS and Red 7 are better than KO at spotting an initial advantage. The right point is at "20" RC if you're starting at "9". At that count, you'll have a +1.8 TC early in the shoe and a +1.5 TC late. That works in harmony with the floating advantage.

 

[beyondbj]

hi ,

do u have a statistic about what s the % of

getting index 20/21/22/23 for a two decks cut off ??

and

how can I just break even for this -0.264% HE game ??

since i can get some scores reward for this game ,

I dont mind to just break even or better its 0.1-0.2 units per hour is enough for me

what will be the spread for my case ? thanks

 

[beyondbj]

moreover, hilo and KO get to top bet at around tc4

why kissIII have to go top bet only around tc 2.4-3 ?

why KISS III have to get top bet earlier??

and it seems may require larger bankroll and more risky

 

[Renzey]

moreover, hilo and KO get to top bet at around tc4

why kissIII have to go top bet only around tc 2.4-3 ?

why KISS III have to get top bet earlier??

and it seems may require larger bankroll and more risky

The 6 deck betting schedule laid out in the book for KISS is a 1-to-10 spread -- not the more common 1-to-12. That was done for betting "cover" purposes. With 1-to-10 and the same ramping rate however, you'd have a lower "average" bet, a lower variance and a lower EV. To make up for that as much as possible, you need to speed up your betting ramp -- that is, bet more units at a given positive TC. Then, the two typical ramps may look like this:

..RAMP......+1.5 TC....+2.0 TC....+2.5 TC....+3 TC....+3.5 TC....+4.0 TC
1-to-12..........2u...........4u............6u..........8u........10u........12u
1-to-10..........3u...........6u............8u.........10u...........................
KISS RC.......19/20.........21..........22/23......23/24.....24/26.....25/28

If you want to go with the 1-to-12, then I would use the 1-to-12 ramp rate shown above. The variance for both are nearly the same. EV is still a bit better with the 1-to-12, but provides less cover.