Late Surrender or Index Play on 16 v 10

Lowrider

Lowrider

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I'm working through Professional BJ by Stanford Wong and seem to have discovered a conflict in his tables....

For a H17 6 deck shoe game with LATE SURRENDER, should you SURRENDER 16 v 10 as Wong advocates for three combinations of cards making a hard 16 for any TC above -4 or should you use the INDEX PLAY of STANDING on ANY HARD 16 v 10 in any TC above 0?

What play trumps, surrender or stand?
 
Sonny

Sonny

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Lowrider said:
What play trumps, surrender or stand?
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Surrender if it is your first 2 cards. Use the index play (hit/stand) if you have more than 2 cards.

-Sonny-
 
Lowrider

Lowrider

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ok little confused now...

Assumptions:

1 BS IS ONLY FOR FIRST TWO CARDS...PERIOD

2 ARE INDEX PLAYS ONLY FOR BEYOND 2 CARDS? If so, how does this work for the F4 SUR plays and for the insurance at+3


Thanks
 
M

Midwestern

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since SURRENDER is only available on your first two cards, that is the only time it applies.

Otherwise, you are able to interpret BS charts and index charts for different compositions. the wizard did the math on composition dependent BS and the added return to the player is not that much

http://wizardofodds.com/blackjack/appendix15.html


the ONE advice i took from it was that if you have ANY 5's on a multi-card 16, you should probably stay because the chances of getting another 5 on that still hand is reduced.
 
Sonny

Sonny

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Lowrider said:
Assumptions:

1 BS IS ONLY FOR FIRST TWO CARDS...PERIOD
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That's not right. What happens if you hold A,5 vs. 10? BS tells you to hit and you are dealt a 7 for a total of 13. What do you do now? You still follow BS and hit. Let's say you are dealt a 3. Now what? BS says to keep hitting. So BS applies no matter how many cards you have.

Lowrider said:
2 ARE INDEX PLAYS ONLY FOR BEYOND 2 CARDS? If so, how does this work for the F4 SUR plays and for the insurance at+3
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Indices are for any number of cards, just like BS above.

-Sonny-
 
T

tthree

Banned
Wong's composition dependent BS applies to SD. The more decks you are playing with the weaker the affect of hand composition. By 4 decks you can probably forget about it. By six decks it is trivial except for specific hand match ups to the non-counter. Any index play is much stronger than composition based decisions.
 
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