Level 1 versus higher level counts

[flyingwind]

Are there higher level count systems which can find an advantage that the level 1 counts cannot?

 

[FLASH1296]

Yes, of course there are.

However, beyond Level Two there is “diminishing returns”

Modern Blackjack, vols. I & II for good resources for you.

For a beginner, I recommend learning the ZEN Count, or the FELT Count — in Modern Blackjack.

http://www.qfit.com/book/ModernBlackjackPage-10.htm

 

[flyingwind]

Ben-Franklin vs FELT count

Does anyone here use the Ben-Franklin count for shoe games? Is it better than, worse than, or neglibly comparable to the FELT count for shoe games? (specifically 6D H17 DAS DA2 no-RSA games)

 

[blackjack avenger]

Simplicity

Does anyone here use the Ben-Franklin count for shoe games? Is it better than, worse than, or neglibly comparable to the FELT count for shoe games? (specifically 6D H17 DAS DA2 no-RSA games)

They both use the same RPC tags.
If you are using one now, stick with it
If not using one, then pick the one which seems to have the easiest indices to remember.
They will be very close in performance
It appears Ben Franklin has a few more indices
Pick one then stick with it:joker::whip:

 

[FLASH1296]

For shoe games, ZEN is a very fine choice.

 

[prankster]

I've communicated on this website with both Al Francesco and Anthony Curtis. Both indicated they thought it a good idea to use a simple count.:joker:

 

[boneuphtoner]

Does anyone here use the Ben-Franklin count for shoe games? Is it better than, worse than, or neglibly comparable to the FELT count for shoe games? (specifically 6D H17 DAS DA2 no-RSA games)

I use a FELT-Ben Franklin hybrid. It is based off of FELT with full indices (see the appendix of Modern Blackjack), but rounded Ben Franklin style by 5's and 10's.

I simmed Ben Franklin, and it comes out slightly ahead of reduced rounded FELT. But BF used more indices, so that is why. My own hybrid is essentially equivalent to FELT-F in S17 games, and is ever so slightly weaker in H17 games.

And these counts work just fine for pitch games too! No, not as strong as Omega II, or Hi-OPT-II, or Halves with its 200+ uncompromised indices, or Zen with its 100+ indices....but for reduced rounded strategies they are just fine.

 

[boneuphtoner]

I've communicated on this website with both Al Francesco and Anthony Curtis. Both indicated they thought it a good idea to use a simple count.:joker:

What count did Francesco's team use? Hi-Lo?

 

[prankster]

I beleive so-as did and do all the major teams.:joker:

 

[flyingwind]

Ben-Franklin vs FELT count

How does Ben-Franklin have more indices?

From the following two comparisons, it looks to me like I have to memorize more index numbers for FELT than Ben-Franklin. No?

http://www.blackjackinfo.com/Ben-Franklin-Count.pdf

versus

http://www.qfit.com/book/ModernBlackjackPage260.htm

 

[boneuphtoner]

How does Ben-Franklin have more indices?

From the following two comparisons, it looks to me like I have to memorize more index numbers for FELT than Ben-Franklin. No?

http://www.blackjackinfo.com/Ben-Franklin-Count.pdf

versus

http://www.qfit.com/book/ModernBlackjackPage260.htm

Ben Franklin has indices for splitting 10's and doubling soft 19, FELT does not. Those are very strong additions to its arsenal. And it has a couple of extra surrender indices too.

But the original Ben FRanklin and rounded FELT yield to FELT-F and my rounded FELT-BF-Full count because the latter have more indices.