Lost my temper with a pit boss

Automatic Monkey

Automatic Monkey

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I'm still in venue so I don't want to say where this happened, but I finally lost it with a dishonest pit boss.

There was an old woman chunking away, playing very poorly and cleared over $5K from a table. The pit didn't seem to like it very much. It was a $1000 max bet and occasionally her bets would go over that amount, but the dealer took the action and dealt.

After winning a big hand, a few hands later the pit boss comes over to her and tells her "This is a $1000 max table. You bet a hand for $1X00 before and you won so you are going to have to give us back $X00."

She was getting ready to push X chips to the dealer and I yelled "Wait a minute. The dealer is supposed to check the bets before dealing out the hand. You can't wait to see if someone is going to win or lose before you void a bet."

"You see that sign? This is a $1000 limit table." (This was not a law or a casino rule; there were higher max tables, actually right in the same pit.)

So I answer "So what if she lost the hand? Would you go find her later and say 'Maam here's your $X00 back, your bet was over the limit.' He said "Sure we do that too."

I yelled "You're a lying sack of shit!" because I had seen her lose >$1K hands when he was watching and he did nothing. Then I stormed away from his pit (in a slightly negative count of course!) He was really pissed at me, but he let her keep the money.

That was my good deed for the trip and it must have improved my karma, because later on I had a hand interaction play with another ploppy that netted for me the same amount I rescued for her. Took them for a couple of K then I blew town.
 
adt_33

adt_33

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I loooove this story! It makes you wonder if counters are doing the world some small but great justice. The irony is that counters pocket their wins. I won't reflect on the situation because I'm not in a philosophical mood at the moment. Again, great story.

SF: "(in a slightly negative count of course)".....HA!
 
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shadroch

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While you might have performed an act of karma,why get involved in a situation you had nothing to do with.You made an enemy of a pitboss for no reason.
 
adt_33

adt_33

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shadroch said:
While you might have performed an act of karma,why get involved in a situation you had nothing to do with.You made an enemy of a pitboss for no reason.
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No reason? Do you have no emotion? I'll bet if you were there you'd see the thousand injustices that AM witnessed. Math is math, and odds are odds, and science is science. Knowing that comes with the gambling territory. But in the end we're still just people that can lose our tempers when a situation like this arises.
 
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Preston

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Automatic Monkey said:
I'm still in venue so I don't want to say where this happened, but I finally lost it with a dishonest pit boss.

There was an old woman chunking away, playing very poorly and cleared over $5K from a table. The pit didn't seem to like it very much. It was a $1000 max bet and occasionally her bets would go over that amount, but the dealer took the action and dealt.

After winning a big hand, a few hands later the pit boss comes over to her and tells her "This is a $1000 max table. You bet a hand for $1X00 before and you won so you are going to have to give us back $X00."

She was getting ready to push X chips to the dealer and I yelled "Wait a minute. The dealer is supposed to check the bets before dealing out the hand. You can't wait to see if someone is going to win or lose before you void a bet."

"You see that sign? This is a $1000 limit table." (This was not a law or a casino rule; there were higher max tables, actually right in the same pit.)

So I answer "So what if she lost the hand? Would you go find her later and say 'Maam here's your $X00 back, your bet was over the limit.' He said "Sure we do that too."

I yelled "You're a lying sack of shit!" because I had seen her lose >$1K hands when he was watching and he did nothing. Then I stormed away from his pit (in a slightly negative count of course!) He was really pissed at me, but he let her keep the money.

That was my good deed for the trip and it must have improved my karma, because later on I had a hand interaction play with another ploppy that netted for me the same amount I rescued for her. Took them for a couple of K then I blew town.
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Kudos my brother. Way to stick it to them trying to cheat when they already had the advantage. Further, I'm pretty sure that kind of shit won't happen there for a while.
 
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Negrocan

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This is by far one of the most ridiculous stories I have ever heard. Why do you care unless it is happening to you or one of your teammates? This wench is not paying you off to help her. I am assuming that you no longer believe in the mathematics of the games since you decided that you can now win based on your new ‘karma count’. What a joke.
 
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FrankieT

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LoL what a scumbag pit boss, she loses an amount over $1k and he says nothing but when she wins an amount over $1k and he chimes in...what a f ing creep in my opinion
 
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Automatic Monkey

Automatic Monkey

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Negrocan said:
This is by far one of the most ridiculous stories I have ever heard. Why do you care unless it is happening to you or one of your teammates?...
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Why? Because if I didn't stand against cheating little old ladies, I wouldn't feel like much of a man afterwards. And if you don't feel like much of a man, you can't enjoy your winnings. Is that a good enough reason?
 
EasyRhino

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To be honest, I'm more frighted by the little old lady playing $1k+ hands really badly.

As far as you could tell monkers, did she still get the couple hundred bucks from that hand taken from her?
 
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shadroch

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The way I see it,you saved the woman money on a hand.Yet if shes playing the way you described,shes going to give it back in a very short while anyway.So an hour later,casino has her money and you have a new enemy.
Sounds like the casino came out ahead,yet again.
 
ihate17

ihate17

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Kudos to AM

As far as I am concerned you did the right thing. Sure bringing attention to yourself and getting a pit pissed at you does not help you at that casino but faced with that, you stopped a thief from stealing from this lady.
It is the dealers job to know that she bet over the table limit and if the dealer does not catch this, the pit should. So neither did their job. If the pit knew she bet more than the minimum and lost on an earlier hand and did not tell the dealer to watch her bets and did not watch more closely himself, he furthermore did not do his job.

A very wise table manager once told me that if their is a dispute on a table and it can be resolved reasonably within the players favor, that is what the pit should do. It might take the casino a few minutes longer to get the players money but the player will leave feeling that he got a fair shake.
Smart man, to bad there are still some pits and casinos that think they should get every dollar as fast as possible.

ihate17
 
halcyon1234

halcyon1234

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Kudos to you. I'm the sort of person who returns a lost iPod rather than eBaying it, so I applaud.

Of course, if the pit boss was going to make a huge stink of it, you can always mention that if they weren't taking her $X00 in losing hands, then he shouldn't mind if you make a call to the gambling commission with the time, date, table number, and pit boss name. ;) (And of course, that doesn't need to be a bluff {evil} )
 
Brutus

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Good move Monkey.

the dealer never called out an over-the-max-bet to the pit?

there is no rule about that amongst house employees?
 
EasyRhino

EasyRhino

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ihate17 said:
A very wise table manager once told me that if their is a dispute on a table and it can be resolved reasonably within the players favor, that is what the pit should do.
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You know, on one day at a local casino (Barona) there were two dealer mistakes that were brought to the pit's attention. And in both cases the pit practically invented ways to resolve it in the players' favor.

The first was a case where the dealer massively flashed the hole card to the right side of the table. Pit came over and said "well, put it face up so everyone can see it" (and it converted a visible dealer 10 to a dealer 16, too).

The second was a dealer was showing a ten, forgot to peek for BJ, and after we made our plays, she suddenly discovered that she had a natural the whole time. The pit said "Well, I can't undo the hand, but I can offer insurance to everybody," which we all took. And of course, you can't usually even offer insurance on a ten. I was impressed.

Sounds like Monkey was at the opposite kind of place.
 
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shadroch

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I pretty much judge a casino by how the PB handles a dealer mistake. Imperial Palace used to bend over backwards for the player,where Harrahs didn't.Letting the player keep their money a few minutes longer is just common sense.
 
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ScottH

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adt_33 said:
No reason? Do you have no emotion? I'll bet if you were there you'd see the thousand injustices that AM witnessed. Math is math, and odds are odds, and science is science. Knowing that comes with the gambling territory. But in the end we're still just people that can lose our tempers when a situation like this arises.
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There was a reason to do it. To help HER. But if in the act of helping her your hurt yourself, then I don't know about it anymore. I would say something if I wasnt a regular there, but if that was a main store, I would have to keep quiet.
 
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