Mohegan Sun Eliminates Grandfathering.

paymypush

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#1
It won't affect me or most here but many regular players depended on it. Grandfathering has been in place since this casino opened in 1996. Simply put, it is the practice of allowing those playing at a table to be able to continue betting at the table minimum that was in effect when they first sat down regardless of any increases. This was for as long as they stayed at the table.

This is just another attempt to steer players to their Stadium Blackjack which has not been getting the play that they had hoped for. There a player can bet $5 to his heart's delight but BEWARE!

A couple of weeks ago they quietly made some changes to Stadium Blackjack. It now pays 6:5 and the surrender option has been removed. Yes, 6 to 5 is on the screen but not everyone reads the screen or understands it if they do.

There are rumors swirling, and they're just rumors now, that 6:5 may be extending to some of the regular tables. It would be too bad because right now, poor penetration aside, Mohegan has some of the best blackjack rules anywhere. These include 3:2, S17, unlimited splitting except aces, 6 decks and surrender.
 

paymypush

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#2
This is what I've heard so far. The entire casino will be going from 6 decks to 8 decks. Everything but the high limit rooms will be H17 and there will be several 6:5 pits.

The 6:5 are to stay at $10 minimums while the minimum for 3:2 will be $15. It doesn't matter if an entire pit is dead. They will not lower those games.
 
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paymypush

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#3
Blackjack players have been asking for, nay, demanding $5 blackjack minimums and Mohegan Sun has responded. The response will not please everyone as these tables will pay 6:5 for a natural.

Pit 3 in the Casino of the Earth has once again risen from the ashes. There will be 10 blackjack tables and one craps table. The pit is located steps from Hash House A Go Go. Slot machines have been removed, electrical wiring has been located and masking tape marks the positions of the new tables. These will be the only 6:5 tables out of the 120 or so in this casino.

Several years ago Pit 3 hosted $5 tables. The only difference was that these tables only were H17. Still playable providing you could find decent penetration, often a daunting task at this casino. Eventually Pit 3 was replaced with slot machines and the $5 tables were relocated to the Sky casino. Two summers ago they were replaced by Stadium blackjack called Fusion and $5 blackjack was no more.

Fusion never really took off but players were starting to warm up to it until a few weeks ago that is. That's when the decision was made to bastardize the game by making it 6:5 and, for added insult, removing surrender. So here we are back to Pit 3 where it all started looking at the worst blackjack ever.
 
#4
Thanks for the heads up. I'll be sure to check for (and stay clear) of any 6:5 tables. I will try to warn other players too.

How many of tables did you say will be 6:5?

The rules are very good there right now. When I first played there about 3 weeks ago I had to ask the dealer if BJ paid 3:2 because I almost couldn't believe it.
 

paymypush

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#6
SplittingFives said:
Thanks for the heads up. I'll be sure to check for (and stay clear) of any 6:5 tables. I will try to warn other players too.

How many of tables did you say will be 6:5?

The rules are very good there right now. When I first played there about 3 weeks ago I had to ask the dealer if BJ paid 3:2 because I almost couldn't believe it.
One 6:5 pit is up and running as of today with more to come. They are also 8 deck H17. If you see a $10 minimum anywhere in this house, read the felt. It will be 6:5.
 
#7
As if 6:5 want bad enough, they had to add insult to injury with 8 decks and H17!

3:2 isn't usually printed on the felt. Is 6:5 clearly printed? I'll make a point of asking before sitting down.
 

paymypush

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#8
SplittingFives said:
As if 6:5 want bad enough, they had to add insult to injury with 8 decks and H17!

3:2 isn't usually printed on the felt. Is 6:5 clearly printed? I'll make a point of asking before sitting down.
Clearly printed along with H17. This is pit 3 steps away from the Hash House in the Casino of the Earth.
 
#9
Was just there Friday night and wanted to update what I saw.

The pit by Hash House a Go Go is indeed 6:5 H17 and 8 decks (asked a dealer how many decks but didn't play, I also expressed my displeasure about 6:5). Tables were all $10 min and there were people playing, although not as full as the other 3:2 tables which is a good sign. Maybe people do know the difference?

Almost more disappointing is every other table on the main floor I checked as moved to 8 decks and H17 (previously 6 decks and S17). I checked the woof den area and sky casino. To make matters worse is penetration still is not any better (about 2 decks off from the end). Minimum bets of $15 were everywhere despite it being Friday night with a bunch of shows going on.

Seems the only advantage over Foxwoods now is that Mohegan Sun still hand shugffles while Foxwoods uses the Shuffle Master automatic shuffler and then puts the cards in a shoe.
 

paymypush

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#10
Foxwoods has both. I always choose to play an ASM if possible to get in more hands. Never once did I have a problem or feel uncomfortable.

There is more 6:5 coming to Mohegan Sun. The pit by the Bow and Arrow bar is now 6:5. That's another 1o tables and they're just getting started.
 
#11
I can't believe Mohegan Sun would debase BJ to this level. And why though? There are plenty of ploppies to make money off of who don't know how to play, make side bets, and believe beyond a doubt that surrender is a bad play and "ruins the flow of cards" (as if somehow standing doesn't?). This is just a big middle finger to the 1% of players that are actually skilled.

I know it's a small sample size and anecdotal, but I don't completely trust the ASM's at FW. I've had a run of bad luck there since they switched from hand shuffles. Is it possible they could be stacking the cards in a way that is bad for the player? like high-low-high-low?
 

paymypush

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#12
A lot is possible in this high tech day and age but wouldn't they have to know a few things first? Things like how many people at the table, when a player will hit or stay and even Wonging for starters.
 
#13
On a sort of related note. I was at Foxwoods Sunday night and every table in Fox Tower (didn't check any other casinos) were $10 min with the same typical rules (3:2 H17 8 decks and automatic shuffler).

Could it be Foxwoods lowered their minimum bid to compete with Mohegan sun's $10 min (even if it is 6:5)? That would be great if they had a little competition to improve conditions.
 
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paymypush said:
This is what I've heard so far. The entire casino will be going from 6 decks to 8 decks. Everything but the high limit rooms will be H17 and there will be several 6:5 pits.

The 6:5 are to stay at $10 minimums while the minimum for 3:2 will be $15. It doesn't matter if an entire pit is dead. They will not lower those games.
At the Mohegan Sun, starting approximately May 2018, tables that are not high limit tables use eight decks and the dealer hits soft 17. This was a change since previously all tables at Mohegan Sun used six decks and dealer stood on soft 17. At most of these tables blackjack pays 3:2. However, at tables with the lowest bet minimum, blackjack pays 6:5.

The high limit tables at Mohegan Sun still use six decks, dealer stands on soft 17, and of course blackjack pays 3:2.

At all tables at the Mohegan Sun double on any initial total is allowed, double after split is allowed, surrender is allowed with any dealer up card (after dealer checks for blackjack), and (excluding aces) player can replit unlimited times (assuming sufficient bankroll). Hitting split aces and resplitting aces is not allowed.
 

paymypush

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#17
There are currently 42 blackjack tables at Mohegan Sun that pay 6:5. The high limit pit in the Casino Of The Earth was 8 decks for a while. After complaints it went back to 6. Don't forget unlimited pair splitting except for 10s and aces.
 
#18
paymypush said:
I take it you've seen the $1 blackjack in the Fox Tower. The 6 to 5 crowd would love those, CSM and all.
The $1 blackjack at Foxwoods requires a 25¢ fee per hand be paid for any wager under $10. A player who wagers at least $10 is exempt from the 25¢ hand fee.
 

paymypush

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#19
Mohegan Sun, under (Mohegan Gaming & Entertainment) will assume daily operations of Fallsview Casino Resort, Casino Niagara and Niagara Falls Entertainment next summer.
 
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