Mohegan Sun
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So, quite early on they did nerf it (to some degree) by only allowing tripling on the first two cards but then inexplicably not long after they went around to all the tables saying it had been changed back to triple anytime!!! (ie after splitting in BJ and after splitting and on any # of cards in spanish). Unbelievable.
Not quite that bad, you can resplit aces.
What is disturbing is that they got new felt that does not allow the bonuses on split or doubled hands. That argument that every SP21 player has had with the casino has now been settled (contrary to Shufflemaster's published rules) in favor of the casino, permanently at Mohegan. It probably changes the basic strategy.
What is disturbing is that they got new felt that does not allow the bonuses on split or doubled hands. That argument that every SP21 player has had with the casino has now been settled (contrary to Shufflemaster's published rules) in favor of the casino, permanently at Mohegan. It probably changes the basic strategy.
I saw a lot of people lose a lot of money, and some people do pretty well; I think many people didn't appreciate the high variance of this game, and substantially increased RoR. Several fairly sharp people touched zero and they were done. I wonder if MS was savvy enough to plan for that.
I took some incredible swings (some of the biggest I ever encountered), but ended up with a tidy though modest profit.
No heat whatsoever that I saw. Some people were slamming away betting two hands of purple for 20+ hours straight like it was a marathon. And several of them busted out; like I said, you have to have a ridiculous bankroll for that kind of action. Those purple stacks grow and shrink at an amazing rate.
What a lot of fun though! I'd be curious to hear how the house made out on it, and how much of a bath they really took. I'll bet it wasn't all that bad.
I took some incredible swings (some of the biggest I ever encountered), but ended up with a tidy though modest profit.
No heat whatsoever that I saw. Some people were slamming away betting two hands of purple for 20+ hours straight like it was a marathon. And several of them busted out; like I said, you have to have a ridiculous bankroll for that kind of action. Those purple stacks grow and shrink at an amazing rate.
What a lot of fun though! I'd be curious to hear how the house made out on it, and how much of a bath they really took. I'll bet it wasn't all that bad.
I was only there for a few hours early in the morning but I'd be suprised if the casino did not make out pretty well on this promotion. I definitely got caught up in it and got burned pretty bad. I am normally a very conservative player with strict stop-loss and modest stop-win points and I had trouble staying in bounds given the excitement of this promo. And then I capped off my losses by dropping a couple hundred on slots on my way out the door......why? I don't know. I am normally a 4 day-a-week blackjack grinder but I felt the gambler in me get tickled a little bit yesterday and just had to try my luck before I left. I am sure that there were enough less-disciplined players getting out of control all day to make this event profitable for the casino. Glad to hear that others had some modest success.
Yeah, that was not the kind of game where you can discount short-term variance. We saw some amazing things happen at the table. The TDR rule was awesome, the strategy was very different than normal and there was one set of TDR strategy plays that was very count-dependent and I think a lot of people didn't realize that. The other thing that may have been overlooked is how high your advantage in tripling has to be in order to make it the right play given the short term RoR here. These are not straightforward calculations like they are in BJ because of the importance of the auto-win-on-21 rule, the bonuses and the ability to double on any number of cards.
I do remember looking around and wondering how many people I was playing with were folks I knew from this site.
There was an amusing unspoken camaraderie for all those in the know, especially playing together for such an extended time. Sort of a collective shared wink that was kind of cool. Those who really knew what they were doing were pretty easy to spot, and a joy to play with (for the right reasons).
It was like a convention for AP's, but no one was wearing name tags.
There was an amusing unspoken camaraderie for all those in the know, especially playing together for such an extended time. Sort of a collective shared wink that was kind of cool. Those who really knew what they were doing were pretty easy to spot, and a joy to play with (for the right reasons).
It was like a convention for AP's, but no one was wearing name tags.
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You got that right, Monkey. I was down over 6 grand in about an hour, before I had even gotten comfortable in my seat. I made the mistake of under estimating what kind of varience would be involved, playing a unit that was almost as big as my normal max bet, so when I lost a few triple downs early....well ouch...in a hurry. I think I lost my first 4 or 5 triple downs. 
After that I spent the whole day climbing back close to even, which seemed like a victory. :laugh:
After that I spent the whole day climbing back close to even, which seemed like a victory. :laugh:So how much better was this game than Blackjack? I strongly suspected that I should be targeting Spanish 21, but I didn't have enough time to come up with the correct strategy and I could not find it anywhere, so I just showed up with the BJ strategy from WoV memorized and some index plays I figured out on my own. But when I overheard the floor explaining to someone that you could indeed Triple Down Rescue in Spanish I was really kicking myself for not coming prepared to play that game.
I can't complain too much though, since I walked out with a nice 5-figure win
I can't complain too much though, since I walked out with a nice 5-figure win
kewljason said:
You got that right, Monkey. I was down over 6 grand in about an hour, before I had even gotten comfortable in my seat. I made the mistake of under estimating what kind of varience would be involved, playing a unit that was almost as big as my normal max bet, so when I lost a few triple downs early....well ouch...in a hurry. I think I lost my first 4 or 5 triple downs. After that I spent the whole day climbing back close to even, which seemed like a victory. :laugh:
After that I spent the whole day climbing back close to even, which seemed like a victory. :laugh:
I wouldn't think backoffs and AP issue wouldn't be that great for this event since many people were flat betting. I used what amounted to a 1-2 spread. Pretty hard to determine someone flat betting to be an AP. I would think, they would be going in the opposite direction, developing a database of players that they wanted to entice back on normal days, thinking them all to be ploppies or BS players at best. I haven't played at MS for several years since I switched up to playing only FW when in that neck of the woods, so I am expecting some decent offers.
I never really think that short term, nor worry about results from a single day or trip. I always try to think longterm, but what had me worried about this trip after that first hour or so, was that maybe I hadn't brought enough BR with me to contine to play all day. Since I knew I wanted to put in a long day, I would have been kicking myself if I was scrambling to get more funds after a only a couple hours. luckily that didn't happen. As I said, I didn't adjust for the much larger unit I was playing, bringing only about 50% more than my normal day trip BR. I don't know what I was thinking. :laugh:
luckily that didn't happen. As I said, I didn't adjust for the much larger unit I was playing, bringing only about 50% more than my normal day trip BR. I don't know what I was thinking. :laugh: