Move to electronic table games

[KewlJ]

As I feared during the shutdown, Station casinos in Las Vegas is making a push away from table games with casino chips and towards several different model electronic table games using a TITO (ticket in, ticket out) system.

Stadium blackjack is now available at Red Rock, GVR, Palace and Boulder Stations. For those not familiar stadium blackjack is a TITO system featuring individual terminals, and a live dealer that that can serve up to 50 or more players.

At Santa Fe and Sunset Station they are introducing "Scientific games Fusion games" type blackjack which looks to be very similar to stadium blackjack with 1 live dealer for many terminals.

Although I am not spending much time in casinos right now, I will try to check these out in the coming days.

 

[Counting_Is_Fun]

Yeah as I have stated as well...this type of thing may become the norm. I haven't played either, but things do not look good right now. When all of us do start playing...we should all voice our opinions loudly.

 

[21forme]

OUR opinions don't matter. It's the general public's response that will matter. Casinos will look at their bottom line. If people play those machines, they will stay. If they eschew them, as has been the case with CSMs at locals' casinos, they won't stay.

 

[Counting_Is_Fun]

OUR opinions don't matter. It's the general public's response that will matter. Casinos will look at their bottom line. If people play those machines, they will stay. If they eschew them, as has been the case with CSMs at locals' casinos, they won't stay.

I only speak for myself. And I am sure many of the public/ploppies read these forums. Hopefully we can influence whether they play these games or not.
And I do think that counters/forums/books etc have helped keep CSMs at bay, at least at local casinos.
Tourists don't care. But I do think your average local ploppy at least knows that CSMs/stadiums are bad and thus doesn't play them.

 

[21forme]

But I do think your average local ploppy at least knows that CSMs/stadiums are bad and thus doesn't play them.

Your average ploppy is concerned about the flow of the cards.

Here's a little secret for you - CSMs are actually better than ASMs for ploppies. I'll leave it to Don to explain the math behind it, if he cares to comment.

 

[DSchles]

Your average ploppy is concerned about the flow of the cards.

Here's a little secret for you - CSMs are actually better than ASMs for ploppies. I'll leave it to Don to explain the math behind it, if he cares to comment.

No cut-card effect. But, that is very minimal at multi-deck. Still, every hundredth matters.

Don

 

[Counting_Is_Fun]

Your average ploppy is concerned about the flow of the cards.

Here's a little secret for you - CSMs are actually better than ASMs for ploppies. I'll leave it to Don to explain the math behind it, if he cares to comment.

Lol now you are giving out ploppy secrets and then calling in Don? HAHA.
As usual, I sort of fail to see your point or response to mine?
Your response doesn't even really apply to what I said, or the portion that you chose to quote?

 

[21forme]

Lol now you are giving out ploppy secrets and then calling in Don? HAHA.
As usual, I sort of fail to see your point or response to mine?
Your response doesn't even really apply to what I said, or the portion that you chose to quote?

Not sure why you don't see the relevance. You tried to give the average ploppy some credibility regarding understanding the game and I disputed that by example.

 

[KewlJ]

Not sure why you don't see the relevance. You tried to give the average ploppy some credibility regarding understanding the game and I disputed that by example.

The fact that 6:5 even STILL exists is proof that many/most ploppies don't understand the game.

The most astonishing thing I see and it isn't all that rare is a 6:5 table full of players, when a 3-2 table nearby at the same or slightly higher minimum sits empty.

 

[Counting_Is_Fun]

Not sure why you don't see the relevance. You tried to give the average ploppy some credibility regarding understanding the game and I disputed that by example.

Yeah we must not be understanding the other at all.
I said...
"But I do think your average local ploppy at least knows that CSMs/stadiums are bad and thus doesn't play them."
That is my experience.

 

[LC Larry]

The fact that 6:5 even STILL exists is proof that many/most ploppies don't understand the game.

The most astonishing thing I see and it isn't all that rare is a 6:5 table full of players, when a 3-2 table nearby at the same or slightly higher minimum sits empty.

This goes to prove that casinos have no need to even offer 3:2 blackjack any longer.

 

[Counting_Is_Fun]

The fact that 6:5 even STILL exists is proof that many/most ploppies don't understand the game.

The most astonishing thing I see and it isn't all that rare is a 6:5 table full of players, when a 3-2 table nearby at the same or slightly higher minimum sits empty.

Yeah I see that too...but it is only because the 6:5 tables are single deck.
Ploppies love single deck, even if it is 6:5.
And if it's a higher minimum, then of course most ploppies won't play it.
But if it's same decks. then most local ploppies don't play 6:5, csm, or stadium.

 

[21forme]

but it is only because the 6:5 tables are single deck.

Not on the Vegas Strip.

I have also seen 6 or 8 deck shoes in other regions that are 6:5.

I wonder if there's a correlation between the prevalence of 6:5 games and the refusal to wear masks? Wouldn't surprise me.

 

[Playallin]

What is your correlation between masks and 6/5 BJ? This ought to be good!

 

[Counting_Is_Fun]

Not on the Vegas Strip.

I have also seen 6 or 8 deck shoes in other regions that are 6:5.

I wonder if there's a correlation between the prevalence of 6:5 games and the refusal to wear masks? Wouldn't surprise me.

Yeah I think Vegas is a different animal...6:5 party pits abound of course.
But I haven't seen any 8, 6. 2 decks in local markets that are 6:5. It must be regional, I guess. I really don't see ploppies playing anything but 1D 6:5.

 

[Cookingwithcards]

I've seen 8 deck shoe games, paying 6:5... with plenty of ploppies playing. Sadly, there are 3:2 tables just across from them, and they still play 6:5! Seats are harder to get now of course, especially on weekends, but I'm not sure if they look, or even notice what a BJ pays sometimes.

 

[Counting_Is_Fun]

I've seen 8 deck shoe games, paying 6:5... with plenty of ploppies playing. Sadly, there are 3:2 tables just across from them, and they still play 6:5! Seats are harder to get now of course, especially on weekends, but I'm not sure if they look, or even notice what a BJ pays sometimes.

In which regions?

 

[Cookingwithcards]

In which regions?

New England.., and I don't mean AC.

 

[Counting_Is_Fun]

New England.., and I don't mean AC.

Well if you play and support casinos who offer 8D 6:5 tables, then if I were you...I would stop playing there.

 

[Cookingwithcards]

I don't play in the same room, but I've got a good game in another room!