my first vegas trip

[mk1]

well i just returned from my first gambling experience in vegas. Stayed at the california hotel nice place. But the rules were horrible and bad pen. especially the single deck. anywho i had only brought a one hundred dollar bill with me because i forgot to withdraw cash from the atm on thursday prior to leaving. oh well i figure i can withdraw while im there but i trned that one hundred dollar bill to a total of 5 hundred dollars all together over the course of 3 days. being that i am not an expert at Ap yet(got basic strategy down cold but kinda got overwhelmed at vegas while counting) i was stoked and being that i am 22 was even better.
i like downtown better will go there from here on out. the strip seems to high class for me haha.. plus everything there was like 10 min. i dont have a big bankroll like that so yea.oh and the jersey boys show is great with the exception of all that swearing.

ps. the dealer at one of the casinos i caught on was he would only offer insurance if he had blackjack. so i'll tip him everytime he did this. plus we were playing heads up. so it was GREAT. he was a break in dealer and he got like 2 dollars everytime he did this plus i'd bet for him. than after he was done dealing i bailed. he made me some good cash
in the end tho i lost my $400 profit from sports betting damm pittsburgh let them make the spread.
and miami f-you for not winning against dallas
bj penn stick to lightweight

 

[SD Padres]

ps. the dealer at one of the casinos i caught on was he would only offer insurance if he had blackjack. so i'll tip him everytime he did this. plus we were playing heads up. so it was GREAT. he was a break in dealer and he got like 2 dollars everytime he did this plus i'd bet for him. than after he was done dealing i bailed. he made me some good cash
in the end tho i

Sounds like to collusion to me.

 

[callipygian]

Sounds like to collusion to me.

Yeah, and it's not white-collar resort prison you'd be going to.

 

[mk1]

no collusion here....i noticed it when he pulled an ace and i was getting ready to buy insurance and placed it out in front he said "what are u doing, i dont have it" he checked before even offering insurance. and when he did have a blackjack he'll check first than offer.

maybe he's an AP player giving a brother some help.

 

[bjcounter]

That's collusion my friend. You are lucky you didn't get nailed.

 

[mk1]

Collusion is an agreement, usually secretive, which occurs between two or more persons to deceive, mislead, or defraud others of their legal rights, or to obtain an objective forbidden by law typically involving fraud or gaining an unfair advantage.



it was never an agreement i dont even know that dude. Tell me if you were in my position you would have done the same.

 

[mk1]

so you'll telling me just by figuring out what he was doing is an "agreement" between both he and i. whats the difference between that and say a dealer gIving u awesome PENETRATION?(lol)

 

[SD Padres]

It was an unspoken agreement between you and the dealer. He was financially rewarded for not asking for insurance. He knew he would get a toke from you for this procedure. That's called COLLUSION! It's illegal and risky. If the pit or eye in the sky caught on you would both be in serious trouble.

And by the way...no I would not do it! It's not worth it. If he was accidently flashing cards then that's a different situation all together. Then yeah, I would alter my playing decisions based on what I saw. If he was flashing on purpose then it's collusion.

As far as a dealer giving you special "penetration" - that went against the house procedure - that too my friend is collusion. It may be harder to prove but anytime a dealer deviates from procedure it is collusion. Ofcourse if pen is dealer prerogative then it's no big deal. But if the dealer is supposed to put the cut card at say 66% on a 6 deck game and puts it at 80% (I'd like to find that game lol) because you are sitting at the table then it's collusion. Any standard house procedure that is altered because the dealer can receive extra tokes from a player is risky. Whether it's spoken or unspoken.

 

[Sandy Eggo]

.......a 6 deck game and puts it at 80% (I'd like to find that game lol)........

Or do you mean the Dealer's Choice Pen from 66% to 80% game?

If you just want an 80% Pen....and willing to play low stakes...SY is your game when you are in town.

 

[mk1]

It was an unspoken agreement between you and the dealer. He was financially rewarded for not asking for insurance. He knew he would get a toke from you for this procedure. That's called COLLUSION! It's illegal and risky. If the pit or eye in the sky caught on you would both be in serious trouble.

And by the way...no I would not do it! It's not worth it. If he was accidently flashing cards then that's a different situation all together. Then yeah, I would alter my playing decisions based on what I saw. If he was flashing on purpose then it's collusion.

As far as a dealer giving you special "penetration" - that went against the house procedure - that too my friend is collusion. It may be harder to prove but anytime a dealer deviates from procedure it is collusion. Ofcourse if pen is dealer prerogative then it's no big deal. But if the dealer is supposed to put the cut card at say 66% on a 6 deck game and puts it at 80% (I'd like to find that game lol) because you are sitting at the table then it's collusion. Any standard house procedure that is altered because the dealer can receive extra tokes from a player is risky. Whether it's spoken or unspoken.

oh ok now i know better thankls for the info man. phew i could still be in jail. damm u dealer!!!!

 

[callipygian]

it was never an agreement i dont even know that dude.

Putting aside the finer points of law, let me point out that you don't need to be convicted of a felony to have your session ruined. Even if you don't know the dealer and can prove that in a court of law, the casino doesn't need to PROVE you're guilty to arrest you, they only need REASONABLE SUSPICION that a crime has occurred. That means they can forcibly backroom you, call the police to arrest you, confiscate your chips, and if three months later you prove your innocence in a court of law, that's still a significant punishment for you.

The fact that the dealer is giving you a very obvious signal and you're rewarding him with tokes is good enough for reasonable suspicion. Even if you're right and it's not illegal at all (which is probably wrong), it's still a very dangerous thing to do.

It's not unlike driving around drug alleys and selling bags of powdered sugar billed as cocaine. I'm pretty sure it's illegal, but even if it's not illegal, it's a pretty stupid thing to do: sooner or later you will get arrested on SUSPICION of drug dealing (even if you win the eventual court battle), and if nothing else, interacting with people clearly willing to buy what they think is cocaine is a dangerous thing to do.

 

[mk1]

thanks for all your insight.
dam why didnt anbody tell me this beforehand...i thought he was giving me a break..man im lucky to get out of there. im glad he was a break in dealer only i probably would have been caught had it been otherwise.

 

[jimbiggs]

oh ok now i know better thankls for the info man. phew i could still be in jail. damm u dealer!!!!

But if he didn't tip the dealer, would you consider that collusion? I wouldn't have tipped him every time. Maybe just once after I colored up. From the OP's description, it sounds like the dealer may have been new and did not understand the proper procedure for checking hole cards.

 

[SD Padres]

IMO if he didn't tip the dealer then it's just taking advantage of dealer mistakes and that is perfectly legal.

It's the exchange of money for inside information that is illegal. Basically he was paying to see the hole card.

 

[gibsonlp33stl]

If the casino was really that keyed in on that kind of action at a low limit table don't you guys think that the dealer would've already been canned?

 

[SD Padres]

If the casino was really that keyed in on that kind of action at a low limit table don't you guys think that the dealer would've already been canned?

I think mk1 said he was a break-in dealer so by now I'm sure the casino is "keyed" in.