My good deed for the day

[21forme]

Yesterday, I was sitting next to a nice kid (I must be getting old, referring to someone in that way...) playing good BS, but betting erratically - 1 green chip one hand, his entire stack the next hand, etc. He has his stack out and draws 2 Aces. Dealer has a 7 showing, TC about +2. He says that he guesses he has to draw on the 2 Aces as he's tapped out. Being the good guy I am, I offer to play the other Ace ($400 bet) and we'll split whatever happens. We draw a 3 and a 9, dealer has an 8 in the hole, draws and busts. We each get our $400 and the guy is ecstatic, thanking me profusely. There must be a Boy Scout merit badge for this one

 

[iwantblackjack]

Yesterday, I was sitting next to a nice kid (I must be getting old, referring to someone in that way...) playing good BS, but betting erratically - 1 green chip one hand, his entire stack the next hand, etc. He has his stack out and draws 2 Aces. Dealer has a 7 showing, TC about +2. He says that he guesses he has to draw on the 2 Aces as he's tapped out. Being the good guy I am, I offer to play the other Ace ($400 bet) and we'll split whatever happens. We draw a 3 and a 9, dealer has an 8 in the hole, draws and busts. We each get our $400 and the guy is ecstatic, thanking me profusely. There must be a Boy Scout merit badge for this one

Yesterday, I was sitting next to some guy who wonged-in for about 3 hands, and his last hand he had $225 bet. He had nothing left; and got dealt 2 Aces; dealer had 8 showing...he asked us to help him split. I only had $60 in chips; the other 2 players had the chips, but refused to put any on this guy's bet (not even 165, plus my 60). So, this poor guy with 2 Aces hits; got facecard; hits again, and another! Dealer had 5 in the hole, draws and busts with a 9. The guy was pissed off, cursed, and walked away.

 

[EasyRhino]

To be fair, the "good deed" has a positive expectation for you as well.

True charity would be splitting 8's against a 10 or something.

 

[21forme]

To be fair, the "good deed" has a positive expectation for you as well.

Very true.

True charity would be splitting 8's against a 10 or something.

If this were the case, I'd be bad...

 

[Mimosine]

Yesterday, I was sitting next to some guy who wonged-in for about 3 hands, and his last hand he had $225 bet. He had nothing left; and got dealt 2 Aces; dealer had 8 showing...he asked us to help him split. I only had $60 in chips; the other 2 players had the chips, but refused to put any on this guy's bet (not even 165, plus my 60). So, this poor guy with 2 Aces hits; got facecard; hits again, and another! Dealer had 5 in the hole, draws and busts with a 9. The guy was pissed off, cursed, and walked away.

proving that it pays to be properly bankrolled.
were you counting? did he wong-in to a plus count?

 

[bluewhale]

Yesterday, I was sitting next to some guy who wonged-in for about 3 hands, and his last hand he had $225 bet. He had nothing left; and got dealt 2 Aces; dealer had 8 showing...he asked us to help him split. I only had $60 in chips; the other 2 players had the chips, but refused to put any on this guy's bet (not even 165, plus my 60). So, this poor guy with 2 Aces hits; got facecard; hits again, and another! Dealer had 5 in the hole, draws and busts with a 9. The guy was pissed off, cursed, and walked away.

yes proper BR is KEY. i've said it before and i can't stress how important this is. that $400 split that forme took was probably more ev than his entire day or possibly week worth of counting. you really want to jump on opportunities like this.

on my last trip a guy decided to just hit a 11 vs a dealer 5. i'm still mad at myself for not offering to take his double.

 

[iwantblackjack]

proving that it pays to be properly bankrolled.
were you counting? did he wong-in to a plus count?

He was no way watching my table at all. Before i sat down, i saw him playing elsewhere at a 25 table. My table was 15. He wonged in early in the shoe; the count was +, close to 3.

yes proper BR is KEY. i've said it before and i can't stress how important this is. that $400 split that forme took was probably more ev than his entire day or possibly week worth of counting. you really want to jump on opportunities like this. on my last trip a guy decided to just hit a 11 vs a dealer 5. i'm still mad at myself for not offering to take his double.

What would happen if by chance you lost that split? I'm usually mad at those players who refuse to accept other people's bets for clear double downs when all they do is just hit.

 

[21forme]

What would happen if by chance you lost that split? I'm usually mad at those players who refuse to accept other people's bets for clear double downs when all they do is just hit.

If I lost, so be it. It was a high EV bet that didn't go my way. I lost a few other bets yesterday in a monster high count shoe. It happens.

Regarding others not accepting a double down, it doesn't bother me. It's their game and their play. They have no obligation to make it a team or table joint venture.

 

[Kasi]

There must be a Boy Scout merit badge for this one

I demand that ur misleading title be changed!

Good deed my as* ( I know u know lol.)

LMAO

Nice going!

Betting your roll on one hand is just plain dumb.
Oh well, one man's dumb is another man's opportunity!

 

[ColorMeUp]

yes proper BR is KEY. i've said it before and i can't stress how important this is. that $400 split that forme took was probably more ev than his entire day or possibly week worth of counting. you really want to jump on opportunities like this.

on my last trip a guy decided to just hit a 11 vs a dealer 5. i'm still mad at myself for not offering to take his double.

Speaking of buying people's doubles, I have a question.

Say a ploppy has 11 vs dealer 8, but doesn't have the money to double it. I finance the double but since it's a double the hand only gets one card, which for sake of discussion say we pull a 2. Now the hand is 13 vs 8 and the ploppy can't hit even though he would have been able to if you hadn't stepped up and doubled his hand. How do you handle this situation? It must upset the ploppies......?

 

[Preston]

yes proper BR is KEY. i've said it before and i can't stress how important this is. that $400 split that forme took was probably more ev than his entire day or possibly week worth of counting. you really want to jump on opportunities like this.

on my last trip a guy decided to just hit a 11 vs a dealer 5. i'm still mad at myself for not offering to take his double.

My biggest problem with hand interaction is I go to put the chips out and the dealer hits before I can make the offer. What's a good way around this?

 

[Mimosine]

He was no way watching my table at all. Before i sat down, i saw him playing elsewhere at a 25 table. My table was 15. He wonged in early in the shoe; the count was +, close to 3.

what i was getting at was that it is NOT wonging unless it is related to the count. if he was backcounting and then jumped in, that is a wong. if he was just walking by the tables sat down to play a hand, that most definitely IS NOT wonging.

 

[Mimosine]

Speaking of buying people's doubles, I have a question.

Say a ploppy has 11 vs dealer 8, but doesn't have the money to double it. I finance the double but since it's a double the hand only gets one card, which for sake of discussion say we pull a 2. Now the hand is 13 vs 8 and the ploppy can't hit even though he would have been able to if you hadn't stepped up and doubled his hand. How do you handle this situation? It must upset the ploppies......?

technically this is not "buying someone's double," you're going in halves with someone - in contrast to "buying someone's hand" like giving someone $26 for their blackjack as opposed to letting a dealer pay them "even money" on a $25 hand.... that being said, yeah this situation might upset a ploppy, but that is the risk you take, against a 2-6 however, they would (almost) never want another card, and in those situations you would want in on their double even more since the bust rate is higher with those dealer up cards.... going in on doubles takes a bit of finess, which i completely lack!

 

[Mimosine]

My biggest problem with hand interaction is I go to put the chips out and the dealer hits before I can make the offer. What's a good way around this?

be ready to jump at the chance the second you see someone is in a position to double, and based on your observations of their past plays knowing they probably won't. so if you're at 3rd base, and someone is in the middle, the second the dealer looks to first base, start making your move, distract the person in the middle who has the hand you want to double with, ask them if it is ok, etc... it's tough, and by no means am I good at it, but you have to be on the ball and take advantage of the opportunity - before someone else does! and that has happened to me more times than i'd like, even ploppies get in on this, and as Renzey and others have pointed out, in certain situations you can get them to help you out of bad splits (e.g. 88 v 10!) because they know enough basic strategy to know the correct play, but are ignorant of the fact that some plays are meant to cut losses, not increase gains!!!