no limit private game

TheApprentice

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#1
I've been invited to a private home game no limit session with a co-worker who is not a super close friend and I'm wondering how much I should worry about collusion between other players, and what I can watch out for or do to prevent/counterattack it.
They do their home games tourney style not cash game style.
Any advice?
 

callipygian

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#2
TheApprentice said:
I'm wondering how much I should worry about collusion between other players
Implicit or explicit collusion?

If you're a new player to a game, you'll probably witness a fair amount of implicit collusion - for example, people might reraise one player a lot because they know he's a pansy, and you'll probably get "caught" in the crossfire occassionally, but not because of any malice.

Explicit collusion (where they are actually planning to screw you) is anyone's guess, but I would guess that if it's not high stakes, it's highly unlikely.

TheApprentice said:
Any advice?
Things that I generally watch out for if I'm playing with people I don't know well:

(1) How many people are in the game? If it's a small game, they simply might have had problems finding quorum and started reaching out to people they don't know very well. Usually, when I play with people I don't know well, this is the case.

(2) How serious are people (aside from stakes)?

(a) Game structure. Most friendly tourneys I've been in raise blinds exponentially - the goal is to have most people knocked out at roughly the same time so nobody ends up waiting 3 hours for their ride to finish and nobody ends up playing until sunrise. If the structure is set up to really have people separate the wheat from the chaff, they're going to take winning very seriously.

(b) Group dynamics. Do most people bring something to share with the group (beer, food, porn), or are people just showing up with a buy-in? What do people talk about during the game?

I normally think about these things to help fit in with the group, not because I'm worried about collusion. But they're starting points, I guess.
 

Brutus

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#3
I would watch for signals between players. like someone rubbing their chest when there are 2-3 hearts on the flop.

what could it cost to play one time, and watch their behaviors?

these cats might be a bunch of push overs, or they might get together and use poker as a ruse to get a new fellas drunk and bend'em over the coffee table.

what I can watch out for or do to prevent/counterattack it.
if you suspect collusion, play tight and trap.

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TheApprentice

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#4
Thank you, folks

Good advice. Thanks. I'll take the test run with these things in mind.

If they're better than me and friendly, I'll learn from them. If they're better than me and not, they'll make $ from me.
If I'm better than them......:)
 

aslan

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#5
I used to play at least every week in the old days, and I never found a game that played for $5 or more in which somebody was not trying to do something (cheat). The more advanced cheap game cheaters would "run up" the cards (stack the deck) and "cold deck" the game (slip in a deck of prearranged cards after the cut). The average type things would be card sequencing (putting a clump of memorized cards on the bottom of deck to avoid shuffling them, and then positioning them to come into play on the deal (this is a very popular cheat in gin and knock rummy); marked cards (factory made, or home made by scraping tiny bits of paint off the back of the cards to indicate the number and suit); bent cards to track various cards, aces, kings, etc. I never saw seconds, bottoms, smudging, sanding, pin pricking, shiners, strippers, card holdouts, or other techniques used in cheap games. The main trick was the marked cards, both factory made and homemade. It's easy to defeat, because you can usually prevent the cheater from seeing what you have when you want to, and then you can use his own marked cards against him. if you're so disposed. In the old days, I might do so, but nowadays I would just quit. Cheating cheaters no longer interests me. I just refuse to play in private games except nickel quarter stuff with co-workers or neighbors or club members.

For more expensive games, no holds are barred. I have seen holdout tables, peeps in the ceiling, bottom dealers, seconds dealers, and all the above. Also, but I've never seen them, they have electronics that can see through the bottom of the table and see everyone's cards, and even electric shuffle machines that can record the position of every card in the deck. I knew of a guy, dead now, who operated a blackjack game in a prestigious country club he belonged to. The shoe allowed the dealer to see the next card and to either deal it or hold it back and deal the next card. It could be examined and nothing discovered by those who did not know the gimmick.

The long and the short of it is, your chances of not being cheated are best in a casino operated game in a large and reputable casino. Even there, as far as I know, the house does not scrutinize poker games for cheating, other than cheating by the dealer, unless there is a complaint. But they are, by and large, pretty safe, Correct me if I'm wrong.
 

Thunder

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#6
Cheating in a home game isn't advisable either because if you're caught, you're liable to get your butt kicked and lose all of your money. Just watch Rounders and you'll see what I mean.
 

aslan

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#7
Thunder said:
Cheating in a home game isn't advisable either because if you're caught, you're liable to get your butt kicked and lose all of your money. Just watch Rounders and you'll see what I mean.
Good movie. But I've seen it happen over and over again.

In one game, it got out that someone was cheating (in point of fact there were two main cheaters and one guest cheater). The game was held at one of the cheater's homes. When the next game started he slapped down a loaded 38 caliber revolver on the table and announced, "I've been hearing that there is cheating going on in this game. If I catch anyone cheating, I'll blow their m####f##### head off!!! " hahahahaha He was the main cheater!
 
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