Noobs like me have to be careful with GREED

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rajib87

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let me get off the main negative of the day and say that I am down $300:cry:. I had $80 of match plays and was up about $130 within the first 15 mins. But being that it's we have five hours in the casino ( went on bus to foxwoods.) I didn't want to just leave I thought I'd double up my $300 bankroll and call it quits. Now I know that at my level I should be satisfied with any profit and call it a day and observe or practice counting cards. I actually got blackjack two times in a row when I 'counted' (from what I learned), I observed got a positive count and divided by the decks I guessed remained and just had a positive 2 or 3 count and just wonged in. The losses came when I stayed at the table even when the dealer was getting A's as the upcard and glancing at the table it seemed like it was in the negative zone.

So I'm going again so I'll have $40 of match play, $40 that my friend will sell me for $20 and hopefully my parents said they'll meet me there if it doesn't snow here in the east coast, and they both give me their match plays so that's about $160-$20= $140 match play. I'm low on money and will only take $100 so since I"m going on an early bust tomorrow morning I wanted to know if according to all the match plays I"'m getting if it's probable that I'll win my money back.

p.s- it was a little embarassing using the basic strategy printout but I commited to memorize it on the way back. Tomorrow I dont care what it looks like I'm stalking the tables and scanning the cards on the table and wonging in on a positive count and leaving after a win (since I can't count and play at this stage) and repeat at another table.

Your advice would be appreciated thank you.:)
 
FLASH1296

FLASH1296

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1. Get a job.
2. Save Money.
3. Build a Bankroll.
4. Study the better books, e.g. Blackbelt in Blackjack

At $10 minimum tables, (presuming that you can find them), even "wonging" the games you will frequently go belly up in a hurry trying to play with just a couple of hundred bucks.
 
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davidpom

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Agree with the others. A small bankroll like that will often land you in tears.

Ideally take 50 times your average stake with you - at $10 a hand, that's a $500 bankroll. Might help you to weather some storms - but even with that bankroll size, rain can still come. At least you have a better chance to ride out a bad run with 50 times your unit stake (assuming flat betting) rather than 10 times... 10 hands is a tiny sample in the long term game of blackjack...

The matchplays will help you. but if you only have enough coupons to last say 5 hands or so, then you could quite easily lose all of those hands, despite the match plays....
 
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rajib87

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ah man I lost $300 yesterday:mad:..was the small bankroll + trying to wong in on positive counts ( people actually got upset when I went in for a hand sat out a few rounds then went in a few hands later a couple of times why are they counting or something too and it messes them up:eek:srry). Any way it seems like it takes more time than I thought to learn to count. If I ever go back I'm going with $500 and learning to speed count.
 
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Martin Gayle

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rajib87 said:
ah man I lost $300 yesterday:mad:..was the small bankroll + trying to wong in on positive counts ( people actually got upset when I went in for a hand sat out a few rounds then went in a few hands later a couple of times why are they counting or something too and it messes them up:eek:srry). Any way it seems like it takes more time than I thought to learn to count. If I ever go back I'm going with $500 and learning to speed count.
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You said three things in this paragraph that I think need to be addressed.

1) sweating the $300 - if $300 is hurting you don't go to a casino to lose it. I am a middle class guy who lives well below his means and I know the value of a buck but at a casino, I do not sweat the money, don't think of it as a days pay, a weeks pay, etc, but don't forget that it is money.

2) People got mad at you - Get used to it. A plop will blame anything except the mathematics of the game as to why they lose. If you don't grind every hand like a smelly plop, plops and even the critters will be mad at you, all the time. They will, in fact, hate you as a person.

3) Going back with $500 and speed counting - expect to lose the $500 and instead of just 'speed counting' knowing how to 'count accuratley and quickly' is better but still useless unless you know how to apply the count to beat the game. If you want know how to do this see Flash, et al, posts.
 
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rajib87

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good advice you're right i just want to go back 'to win my money back' but as i learned saturday it's a losing game. i went to win back $300 I lost friday but than I lost $100 on saturday so actually its $400. you're also right if i'm sweating that money i shouldn't even be gambling. i only work 15 hrs a week since i'm a student.
 
ihate17

ihate17

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finish your studies and get yourself situated

rajib87 said:
good advice you're right i just want to go back 'to win my money back' but as i learned saturday it's a losing game. i went to win back $300 I lost friday but than I lost $100 on saturday so actually its $400. you're also right if i'm sweating that money i shouldn't even be gambling. i only work 15 hrs a week since i'm a student.
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Most people who try cardcounting fail! They fail for many reasons, mostly emotional but putting that aside and looking at your first post.
You tried to count even before you had basic strategy down pat.
If you did not have BS down pat, you probably knew and used almost no indices.
You have a bankroll that might last you 15 minutes in the casino if you lose your first bunch of hands.
You do not have the ability to spread properly, though wonging can help here, you need a lot more study before you are ready to wong in a casino.

Finish school, get a good job and then save up a bankroll. If your income is nicely above your expenses, you might not need a large bankroll, you will have what we call a replenishable bankroll.

Remember, even for the best, the most sucessful counter, the casino is really not his personal ATM machine and will never be.

ihate17
 
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mdw

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Don't try and chase your losses. It can cause you to loose even more. I understand card counting, but prefer to flat bet using basic strategy. We only play a few times a year. My wife and I play together. Over all we are about even. We depend on our regular jobs for income. And avoid the Martingale. Try it here using the training software. It seems like a good plan until you hit a losing streak of about 8 hands in a row. Regards.
 
Tarzan

Tarzan

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What they ALL said!

Rajib, you do not have the financial capitol, the training or the experience to be walking into the casino just yet. You appear to be "putting the horse ahead of the carrot" even. Don't try to step into the ring with the heavyweight champ until you train a bit!
 
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ccibball50

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It seems to me that you do not have a good grasp on calculating the True Count accurately. You will probably do better by using an unbalanced system. I would recomend red 7s. It is a level two count, but very easy to learn if you have hilo down.
 
FLASH1296

FLASH1296

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I must point out that the RED SEVEN COUNT is a LEVEL ONE count,
and the best unbalanced level one count that you will ever find.

See: Blackbelt in Blackjack
by Arnold Snyder.

Available at Borders & Barnes & Nobles.

Heavily discounted at half.ebay.com/

Look for the 2005 edition.
 
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ccibball50

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FLASH1296 said:
I must point out that the RED SEVEN COUNT is a LEVEL ONE count,
and the best unbalanced level one count that you will ever find.

See: Blackbelt in Blackjack
by Arnold Snyder.

Available at Borders & Barnes & Nobles.

Heavily discounted at half.ebay.com/

Look for the 2005 edition.
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Yes Flash is correct. Red Sevens is a level one count, but when I used Red Sevens, I counted each seven as 1/2 making it a level 2 count. I forgot that I altered the Red Sevens count.
 
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rukus

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Tarzan said:
Rajib, you do not have the financial capitol, the training or the experience to be walking into the casino just yet. You appear to be "putting the horse ahead of the carrot" even. Don't try to step into the ring with the heavyweight champ until you train a bit!
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LOL, i think you mean CART AHEAD OF THE HORSE :laugh:. horse dont tow carrots, and generally, when they are towing something, they naturally appear ahead of it, even if it's a carrot that theyre towing and not a cart. :laugh::devil:
 
moo321

moo321

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ccibball50 said:
Yes Flash is correct. Red Sevens is a level one count, but when I used Red Sevens, I counted each seven as 1/2 making it a level 2 count. I forgot that I altered the Red Sevens count.
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Well, that's essentially the same as the Red seven count, which counts half of the sevens as 1.
 
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