Ohio Casino Blackjack Rules?

[jaygruden]

With the first of four new Ohio casinos set to open in 4 months, does anyone know what the Blackjack rules will be for the Ohio stores? I've scoured articles online and can find no mention of it. Did the state mandate rules the way PA did, or are they letting each store decide on their own rules?

Here are all pertinent articles I could find on the coming Ohio casinos:

http://500nations.com/Ohio_Casinos.asp

....very interesting information but can not find BJ rules anywhere.

 

[moo321]

I'll get them out as soon as the casinos open.

 

[Midwest Player]

Watch Ohio Casino Control Commission for Rules

http://casinocontrol.ohio.gov/


Looks like card counters can be banned under #5
http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/3772.031

 

[jaygruden]

Thanks MWP,

I found a section in the code where they set the lowest allowable theoretical payout on slot machines at 85%.

There is, however, no mention of table game minimum standards and no specific mention of BJ in any regard; (including # of decks, shoes or hand-held, BJ payouts, LS, etc. S/H17 options, etc.) This is not a good sign that the commission has not addressed this and will apparently leave discretion up to the house. These items were spelled out specifically by the PA commission well before the first store opened it's doors.

The store in Cleveland will at least have to compete with Rivers and Presque Isle in PA due to proximity.

 

[cgy606]

Thanks MWP,

I found a section in the code where they set the lowest allowable theoretical payout on slot machines at 85%.

There is, however, no mention of table game minimum standards and no specific mention of BJ in any regard; (including # of decks, shoes or hand-held, BJ payouts, LS, etc. S/H17 options, etc.) This is not a good sign that the commission has not addressed this and will apparently leave discretion up to the house. These items were spelled out specifically by the PA commission well before the first store opened it's doors.

The store in Cleveland will at least have to compete with Rivers and Presque Isle in PA due to proximity.

Actually, its better if the state doesn't regulate what kind of game they have to have or say they cannot ban AP's. If the state forces a good EV game, then the casino will watch the games like crazy and ban us all. If the state will not allow the casinos to ban AP's, then the games will be shitty, like AC. Somehow, I doubt that the state would force the casinos to have good games AND not allow them to ban AP's because collecting tax revenues from the casinos ultimately depends on the health of the casinos, and such a regulation would certainly be a good selling point for the casinos to say to the commission that is in charge, "We are getting screwed from AP's and that's why we don't have that much tax base". But you never know, government usually doesn't think thing through

 

[tthree]

Actually, its better if the state doesn't regulate what kind of game they have to have or say they cannot ban AP's. If the state forces a good EV game, then the casino will watch the games like crazy and ban us all. If the state will not allow the casinos to ban AP's, then the games will be shitty, like AC. Somehow, I doubt that the state would force the casinos to have good games AND not allow them to ban AP's because collecting tax revenues from the casinos ultimately depends on the health of the casinos, and such a regulation would certainly be a good selling point for the casinos to say to the commission that is in charge, "We are getting screwed from AP's and that's why we don't have that much tax base". But you never know, government usually doesn't think thing through

The problem with that is right next door in Pa great rules have brought top tax revenue for the state because the tables and slots are busy. The smaller percentage of a much bigger pie is a much bigger piece. I know, I know, this is a concept governments continually shoot themselves in the foot by not understanding. Now the dumber officials are fighting to take an ever bigger piece of a shrinking pie. The exact opposite of what brings a growing revenue stream. They will never learn. Hopefully the Ohio Commission has learned.

 

[jaygruden]

Here is the response I got back from the commission regarding the email I sent them this morning......

"Thanks for your email. The Ohio Casino Control Commission is currently in the process of drafting administrative rules that will involve the internal controls that are required of the casinos, including those related to table games, rules of the game, etc. I anticipate that these will cover much of what you mentioned, but will depend upon what the Commission ultimately determines."

"I hope this is helpful."

"Thanks."

"Name & title withheld"

I was impressed that they got back to me so quickly with a response.

 

[tthree]

Some of the local jurisdictions have been doing what it takes to piss off the casinos. I don't know if this extends to the commission. If it does maybe we will see some good games.

 

[bigplayer]

http://casinocontrol.ohio.gov/


Looks like card counters can be banned under #5
http://codes.ohio.gov/orc/3772.031

They are talking about a state list of criminals and cheats (similar to the Nevada or New Jersey Black Book). Not about advantage players. I would suspect that casinos will have the right to refuse service to anyone they want like most businesses unless there is some specific regulation to the contrary.

 

[bigplayer]

Actually, its better if the state doesn't regulate what kind of game they have to have or say they cannot ban AP's. If the state forces a good EV game, then the casino will watch the games like crazy and ban us all. If the state will not allow the casinos to ban AP's, then the games will be shitty, like AC. Somehow, I doubt that the state would force the casinos to have good games AND not allow them to ban AP's because collecting tax revenues from the casinos ultimately depends on the health of the casinos, and such a regulation would certainly be a good selling point for the casinos to say to the commission that is in charge, "We are getting screwed from AP's and that's why we don't have that much tax base". But you never know, government usually doesn't think thing through

Baloney. Good games are caused because of competitive pressure not the right to bar. If the state said you have to have great rules and cannot bar the casinos would still make a ton of money. Vegas and Reno can bar players all they want and now have the worst games in the country. Atlantic City cannot bar and could have eight deck 6/5 games if they want but do not. It's all about competition and in Las Vegas there isn't any.

 

[cgy606]

Baloney. Good games are caused because of competitive pressure not the right to bar. If the state said you have to have great rules and cannot bar the casinos would still make a ton of money. Vegas and Reno can bar players all they want and now have the worst games in the country. Atlantic City cannot bar and could have eight deck 6/5 games if they want but do not. It's all about competition and in Las Vegas there isn't any.

That is true, good games do come from competition. I hope that casinos in Ohio will have good rules so the ones in MI will have to start competing with them . What I am saying is basically what happened in AC in the early 80's. If OCC doesn't allow casinos to band players, then the casinos might make all the games bad to protect themselves from AP's. But in the process they will lose revenue to other non-AP players. Ultimately what matters to me and should to all AP's is more competition, and that is the good that is coming out of this!

 

[sagefr0g]

would it be a safe bet to predict that the Cincinnati casino won't be worth a crap far as blackjack goes, since it is primarily gonna be managed by Harrahs?

 

[moo321]

would it be a safe bet to predict that the Cincinnati casino won't be worth a crap far as blackjack goes, since it is primarily gonna be managed by Harrahs?

Harrah's isn't all bad. I know of some Harrah's properties that have decent 3-2 single deck.

 

[DBJT]

Cleveland billboards

Good games are caused because of competitive pressure

FWIW, I was in Cleveland downtown just a couple weeks ago and there were several VERY prominent billboards in prime locations promoting the PA games to OH residents.

So if they're not totally clueless (still a distinct possibility of course) the OH people really *should* realize they're mainly competing with the great PA games, and therefore they *should* be decent games, in theory... :laugh:

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Harrah's isn't all bad. I know of some Harrah's properties that have decent 3-2 single deck.

Plenty of playable games at Harrah's properties. Maybe not in Vegas, but Vegas is not a prime destination for counters anymore anyway.

 

[21forme]

With the first of four new Ohio casinos set to open in 4 months,

Where did you get info they are opening in 4 months?

I looked up the web sites of the Columbus and Cinci casinos and both say late 2012.

 

[jaygruden]

Where did you get info they are opening in 4 months?

I looked up the web sites of the Columbus and Cinci casinos and both say late 2012.

If all goes as planned, the Cleveland casino is set to open on March 26, 2012 - this is the first of the four to open.....

(Dead link: http://500nations.com/casinos/ohClevelandCasino.asp)

 

[PonyPrincess]

would it be a safe bet to predict that the Cincinnati casino won't be worth a crap far as blackjack goes, since it is primarily gonna be managed by Harrahs?

The only safe bet if it's going to be managed by Harrah's is that it will be run poorly, for better or worse.

 

[blackchipjim]

cleverland casino

Just for the record the casino if it does open in march 2012 will be a temp casino that will be housed in the old Higbee's building. If you don't know, Higbee's it was a department store like May co. before Macy's took it over. If it opens on time the Cleverland Police are no where ready for the criminals that will be ready. :gun:

 

[creeping panther]

Jim

Just for the record the casino if it does open in march 2012 will be a temp casino that will be housed in the old Higbee's building. If you don't know, Higbee's it was a department store like May co. before Macy's took it over. If it opens on time the Cleverland Police are no where ready for the criminals that will be ready. :gun:

Detroit did the same thing and the temporary casinos were just fine.

Between you, the casino security and the police, I think the criminals will get their asses kicked. Let us not live in constant fear, turn the tables, be prepared.

CP