Ok, I need to be reminded.

[Dyepaintball12]

Ok, I have been playing alot recently, and with all the crap I hear from the ploppies and even the dealers, I need to be reassured of some things.

First, assume I am just talking about BS with no counting for the most part.

Mathematically, this doesn't have any affect on other players does it?

Players going in and out from the table, and maybe skipping playing some hands.


It seems that it doesnt matter how many hands are going or who is behind them or how they are playing, because it doesnt matter.


Thanks,

David

 

[nc-tom]

Ok, I have been playing alot recently, and with all the crap I hear from the ploppies and even the dealers, I need to be reassured of some things.

First, assume I am just talking about BS with no counting for the most part.

Mathematically, this doesn't have any affect on other players does it?

Players going in and out from the table, and maybe skipping playing some hands.


It seems that it doesnt matter how many hands are going or who is behind them or how they are playing, because it doesnt matter.


Thanks,

David

Math wise the play of other players has no effect on your result in the long run.

 

[biggamejames]

i prefer it if people answered that question in the right way.

Mathematically, its irreleveant because the bad situations cancel out the good ones.


But in a practical scenario where we have finite bankrolls it would be better to say that one of two situations (good or bad can occur) and that these interruptions do create some upheaval that can have bad results.

For example, wacky ploppies my come in early into a shoe, make a couple of bad mistakes, taking unecessary hits for example and the big cards come out early..


Then the ploppies leave in a huff after one or two hands as the count nose dives into the the negatives. Now you are left with one or two other suckers to eat out the remaing bad deck. Pain and suffering that would have ended quicker and with less of a knock on your BR if the stupid ploppies stayed seated!

The situation is much like flipping a coin...You can get heads 5 times in row or tails 5 times in a row.

Those two ultimately cancel each other out....right....But imagine getting 5 losses in a row with big bets up and winning 5 in a row with small bets out.

mathematically.. that translates to a 50-50 scenario...But your bankroll with is finite is suffering.

I dont want to debate this issue again and will not respond to those who refuse to accept the facts stated above.

Each one has their own money and should play it as they will.


Ps..Those same table hopping ploppies we are talking about are the same reason i am in a casino typing away at on a message board on a saturday night.. I am just killing time until the crowds thin out and then i attack the tables. Several people use this strategy (and from my past play i have noticed its best to stay away from crowds because i was losing most of my money on friday and saturday evenings with large crowds.)

 

[EasyRhino]

Players going in and out from the table, and maybe skipping playing some hands.

Naw, doesn't matter. The big things:

- You want fewer players when the count is good
- You want more when the count is bad.

It is kind of funny to see ploppies do hit and runs on tables. I thought only backcounters did it, but it seems like I've seen more ploppies doing it lately.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

...(and from my past play i have noticed its best to stay away from crowds because i was losing most of my money on friday and saturday evenings with large crowds.)

Big crowds shouldn't cause big losses. If anything, your losses should be lower with big crowds because you get fewer hands per hour in.

But I agree that crowds make playing difficult, usually. In a single deck environment they make profitable play nearly impossible.

 

[shadroch]

Doesn't matter one iota. Anything else is just superstition. As is refusing to play on Friday or Saturday nite because you've lost money on those nights in the past. Are you sure it wasn't because you were wearing a green shirt that nite?

 

[zengrifter]

i prefer it if people answered that question in the right way.

Mathematically, its irreleveant because the bad situations cancel out the good ones.


But in a practical scenario where we have finite bankrolls it would be better to say that one of two situations (good or bad can occur) and that these interruptions do create some upheaval that can have bad results.

For example, wacky ploppies my come in early into a shoe, make a couple of bad mistakes, taking unecessary hits for example and the big cards come out early..


Then the ploppies leave in a huff after one or two hands as the count nose dives into the the negatives. Now you are left with one or two other suckers to eat out the remaing bad deck. Pain and suffering that would have ended quicker and with less of a knock on your BR if the stupid ploppies stayed seated!

The situation is much like flipping a coin...You can get heads 5 times in row or tails 5 times in a row.

Those two ultimately cancel each other out....right....But imagine getting 5 losses in a row with big bets up and winning 5 in a row with small bets out.

mathematically.. that translates to a 50-50 scenario...But your bankroll with is finite is suffering.

I dont want to debate this issue again and will not respond to those who refuse to accept the facts stated above.

Each one has their own money and should play it as they will.


Ps..Those same table hopping ploppies we are talking about are the same reason i am in a casino typing away at on a message board on a saturday night.. I am just killing time until the crowds thin out and then i attack the tables. Several people use this strategy (and from my past play i have noticed its best to stay away from crowds because i was losing most of my money on friday and saturday evenings with large crowds.)

BBJames, your diatribe is fabulously voodoo! Encore! (But in the appropriate forum, please.) zg

 

[Canceler]

Unaddressed angle

For example, wacky ploppies my come in early into a shoe, make a couple of bad mistakes, taking unecessary hits for example and the big cards come out early..

Then the ploppies leave in a huff after one or two hands as the count nose dives into the the negatives.

Actually, I've seen the opposite happen more often. Ploppies get tired of seeing the all the small cards come out and leave. I once played with a guy who would invariably choose to sit out the rest of the shoe whenever I raised my bet or spread to two hands. I wanted to go over and shake his hand, but I didn't want to explain why.

There's another angle to this that isn't being mentioned. What if someone playing correctly causes you to lose? That does happen, right? What are we supposed to do about that?

Never mind those shadowy areas where the correct play is uncertain, like whether to split 7, 7 vs. 7.

That way lies madness.

 

[zengrifter]

Never mind those shadowy areas where the correct play is uncertain, like whether to split 7, 7 vs. 7.
That way lies madness.

Yeah, that one always throws me for a loop! zg


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[biggamejames]

Actually, I've seen the opposite happen more often. Ploppies get tired of seeing the all the small cards come out and leave. I once played with a guy who would invariably choose to sit out the rest of the shoe whenever I raised my bet or spread to two hands. I wanted to go over and shake his hand, but I didn't want to explain why.

There's another angle to this that isn't being mentioned. What if someone playing correctly causes you to lose? That does happen, right? What are we supposed to do about that?

Never mind those shadowy areas where the correct play is uncertain, like whether to split 7, 7 vs. 7.

That way lies madness.

Yes i know the opposite does happen. But i am giving one valid example where you are hurt with table hopping ploppies that may leave behind a negative deck that you are forced to eat.

And like you say, you are glad when ploppies bail out of a shoe just because too many little cards are coming out.

Well they dont always bail out. Some of them stay. So you end up with a nice
positive count that you are forced to fight for against a bunch of ploppies who have no idea that its time to raise their bets and probably end up catching your blackjacks and so on. This can also hurt your game.

As some one said before its better to play fewer hands with a positive deck and more hands with a negative deck.

Ps...splitting those 7s against a dealer 7 was something i didnt know was part of BS. I swear i had no clue otherwise i wouldnt have wasted my time posting that.

 

[biggamejames]

Doesn't matter one iota. Anything else is just superstition. As is refusing to play on Friday or Saturday nite because you've lost money on those nights in the past. Are you sure it wasn't because you were wearing a green shirt that nite?

Its my money bro!! i keep track of it, i keep track of casino activity when i play.

I have the empirical evidence right infront of me..In a nice stack of hundred dollar bills earned from some nice easy play on wednesday and thursday and the wee hours of friday and saturday unlike many i have had before.


If you like playing in crowded casinos with annoying endless streams of ploppies jumping in and out of your games, then please do so.

But dont friggin presume to tell me how to spend my money..(you off all people should by now know that your advice is something i really consider worthless idealistic banter.

In light of that, i wonder why you still persist in posting your little quibs after my posts. But i guess we all know what they say about that annoying bovine cousin of the cow....the Capra aegagrus hircus

 

[zengrifter]

Yes i know the opposite does happen. But i am giving one valid example where you are hurt with table hopping ploppies that may leave behind a negative deck that you are forced to eat.

And like you say, you are glad when ploppies bail out of a shoe just because too many little cards are coming out.

Well they dont always bail out. Some of them stay. So you end up with a nice
positive count that you are forced to fight for against a bunch of ploppies who have no idea that its time to raise their bets and probably end up catching your blackjacks and so on. This can also hurt your game.

As some one said before its better to play fewer hands with a positive deck and more hands with a negative deck.

Ps...splitting those 7s against a dealer 7 was something i didnt know was part of BS. I swear i had no clue otherwise i wouldnt have wasted my time posting that.

Well. BigGJ, you'v got some wild ideas about BJ... but what I really want to know is whether 77v7 is the only BS play you are shakey on.

Quiz: When is it correct to split 99? zg

 

[biggamejames]

Well. BigGJ, you'v got some wild ideas about BJ... but what I really want to know is whether 77v7 is the only BS play you are shakey on.

Quiz: When is it correct to split 99? zg

Are you referring to the above post as "wild ideas" because i will find an a post from none other than you pretty much advocating for most of what i wrote about in that article.

 

[ScottH]

Yes i know the opposite does happen. But i am giving one valid example where you are hurt with table hopping ploppies that may leave behind a negative deck that you are forced to eat.

There is such a technique that allows you to avoid "eating" negative decks, called wonging out.

 

[ScottH]

Quiz: When is it correct to split 99? zg

Oooh, I know this one!

 

[biggamejames]

There is such a technique that allows you to avoid "eating" negative decks, called wonging out.

I know that....

Does the fact that this technique exists change the fact that the table hopping ploppies hurt you by leaving?

Answer is no!!!!

Can we focus on the issue here before you start providing us with the smart ass little snips...

 

[zengrifter]

I know that....

Does the fact that this technique exists change the fact that the table hopping ploppies hurt you by leaving?

Answer is no!!!!

BGjim, you are an original! ... PLOPPY! zg

 

[biggamejames]

BGjim, you are an original! ... PLOPPY! zg

I am guessing here, but i think when you were born, you came out a full grown man with a beard, grown testicles, hairy back and all......:grin:

 

[zengrifter]

...a full grown man with a beard, grown testicles, hairy back and all......:grin:

No, I'm still waiting. zg

 

[ScottH]

BGjim, you are an original! ... PLOPPY! zg

That is funny you say that. He talks about not ever wanting to play with a ploppy, but he pretty much is one. Proof of this is in another thread where he didn't know whether or not to split 77 vs a dealer 7. You can't get out of ploppy status until you at least know BS... :laugh: