Opinions on this BJ Table

[golfcoach]

A new BJ game has opened at my local Casino. Single Deck. Negatives...
H-17...1/2 to 2/3 penatration...Only suited BJ pays time-and-a-half.
Positives...Double on any cards...Double after split...Double with 3 or more cards.

Question is, Do these extra doubling opportunities equal out or perhaps give an AP more advantage over the house when comparing negatives to positives?

 

[standard toaster]

thats an interesting one.... i love the idea of double on any im not mathaholic but i feel like it may come close to a normal game.. but then again i cant see the casino being stupid enough to make it really worth it
ill be wating for someone elses response as well

 

[Thunder]

What do ordinary bj's pay? 1-1? If so, stay far away from this game. The house edge is over 1%. Doubling down on any # of cards only gives you a .23-.30% advantage while the BJ rule will cost you based on this, over 1.4%

 

[creeping panther]

Sucker game

A new BJ game has opened at my local Casino. Single Deck. Negatives...
H-17...1/2 to 2/3 penatration...Only suited BJ pays time-and-a-half.
Positives...Double on any cards...Double after split...Double with 3 or more cards.

Question is, Do these extra doubling opportunities equal out or perhaps give an AP more advantage over the house when comparing negatives to positives?

If you want to be made a fool of by the casino play this CARNIVAL game...it is an abomination:whip:

CP

 

[Martin Gayle]

This sounds like a bad game. I think the Las Vegas Club or Plaza or California Club or somewhere downtown offers a game with only Suited BJ's paying premium. I was interested in the game when I saw it and did the math and I was surprised at how bad a game this was. I think the downtown game offered even a 2:1 payout on suited naturals as well and it was still a 2% house game off the top.

So stay away unless you have no other games.

 

[creeping panther]

Wrong

This sounds like a bad game. I think the Las Vegas Club or Plaza or California Club or somewhere downtown offers a game with only Suited BJ's paying premium. I was interested in the game when I saw it and did the math and I was surprised at how bad a game this was. I think the downtown game offered even a 2:1 payout on suited naturals as well and it was still a 2% house game off the top.

So stay away unless you have no other games.

Stay away..... period

Play 9/6 JOB, far better than this abomination. In fact some slots are better:laugh:

CP

 

[standard toaster]

Stay away..... period

Play 9/6 JOB, far better than this abomination. In fact some slots are better:laugh:

CP

like every ful pay deuces wild game

 

[FLASH1296]

Run, don't walk, away.

"Thunder" is 100% correct as stated.

 

[SystemsTrader]

The house edge is -1.52%. That's a lot to overcome but I bet its beatable with a large spread. If I get time I will sim it. Golf coach are those the full rules? What are the rules regarding split aces?

 

[FLASH1296]

The reality is ...

You said: "The house edge is -1.52%. That's a lot to overcome but I bet its beatable with a large spread."

Note that that is a House Edge greater than the Craps Table's Pass Line Bet !
Back to the comment at hand, to which I say:

Yes & No.

Yes in theory
No in fact

Yes, if you spread VERY wide, [perhaps 50 or 100 to1]
No, they will never let you get away with betting $1,000 at a $10 table.

Even if they didn't '86 you on the spot - you would need a standard bankroll [100-200 Maximum Bets.]

Hmmm. Let's see now. That would be $100,000 cash (on your person).

If you had that kind of cash you'd not be scrounging about a casino !

 

[golfcoach]

System Trader, One card on split A's.

 

[SystemsTrader]

You said: "The house edge is -1.52%. That's a lot to overcome but I bet its beatable with a large spread."

Yes, if you spread VERY wide, [perhaps 50 or 100 to1]

1-15 spread will do.

 

[kewljason]

No, they will never let you get away with betting $1,000 at a $10 table.

Even if they didn't '86 you on the spot - you would need a standard bankroll [100-200 Maximum Bets.]

Hmmm. Let's see now. That would be $100,000 cash (on your person).

For god sakes, stop dispensing this advise!! It's the second time I've heard you suggust that one needs to carry their entire bankroll around on their person. I carry 20-25% at most (even when going to vegas for a week). If you bank at a bank that has branches across the country, your money is always accessible. Even if you don't, there is almost no circumstance that one should carry their entire bankroll with them.

 

[Martin Gayle]

KewlJason,

The reality behind the mathematics that this terrible BJ version can be beaten is one thing but the practicality of actually beating it is another matter.

I don't think Flash is recommending playing this game and spreading $10-$1000 or carrying $100,000 in currency or monetary instruments. He is pointing out how bad a game it is and probably not beatable due to the impracticality of it.

KJ you have offered no new solution to this problem. The choices expressed on this thread are either don't play it or be prepared to have to have a massive bet spread and carry much of your BR on your pers. There are no inbetweens here...please offer advise on this game.

MG

 

[kewljason]

You are correct. I am not offering an opinion on this game. Personally I rarely play a game with rules giving the house more than .5% off the top, and I have played 1300 hours this year. But that's me. Each person must come to his own conclusion.

What I object to is Flash stating (as he has in two different threads now) that you need to carry an entire 100 max bet bankroll "on your person". This is just irresponsible advise, that I wish to correct to before some schmuck wonders 2 blocks off Fremont street or two blocks off the Altantic city boardwalk with his entire bankroll "on his person"

 

[callipygian]

What I object to is Flash stating (as he has in two different threads now) that you need to carry an entire 100 max bet bankroll "on your person".

I feel compelled to point out that I don't think Flash is actually advocating carrying $100,000. His point (if I understand it correctly) is that if you wanted to play this game spreading 1-100, you would need to carry around $100,000 - he is actually using carrying around $100,000 (which I think he agrees is absurd) as a deterrent to playing this game.

That being said, I agree that it's a pretty dumb statement to make. Some poor newbie is going to read the post and think, "Oh, I can play crappy games if I spread 1-100 and carry my entire bankroll with me!" - even if it wasn't Flash's intent.

 

[FLASH1296]

CaLLIPYGIAN is correct about what I was trying (but failing) to communicate.

 

[Kasi]

KJ you have offered no new solution to this problem. The choices expressed on this thread are either don't play it or be prepared to have to have a massive bet spread and carry much of your BR on your pers. There are no inbetweens here...please offer advise on this game.

All KJ is suggesting that it is almost always not necessary to carry your lifetime roll with you every time you go to play at a table.

You probably missed Sleight's post saying a 1-15 spread would do. I suppose that would mean Flash would say better carry all $15K, maybe $30K, since, apparently, a standard bankroll can either be one or the other, on your person. KJ would say $3K might do.

Who knows - maybe the 1-15 spread might be tolerated since the casino might feel invulnerable with such favorable rules. Maybe they'd let you just sit there and play the hands you felt like.

Sleight - what sim did you use - CVCX? It can actually handle rules like this? Does it change BS too? (I'm guessing maybe BS might change if dbl on 3 cards is allowed? Maybe not.) But would it if it did? Just curious.

Just had a thought - would one still be offered "even money" with a non-suited BJ that pays 1-1 anyway lol?

While the game may be beatable, and I'd guess it is with some spread at some point, the question then becomes whether it's the best use of your $15K or $30K or $100K roll.