Our play ground is dangerous
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alwayssplitaces
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What happened, did someone split tens and cause the dealer to get 21?
Automatic Monkey
Banned
Wow, that story starts out remarkably similar to a table incident on my last trip to AC, that involved spreading to two spots. Only I wasn't intoxicated, and didn't challenge anyone to go and fight.
Most of this extremely hostile stuff I observe to go along black-white lines and I think they're treating their experience at the table as a paradigm for race relations in general. "Here's another white guy cheating me out of my opportunity." "That white guy split tens and I lost. It's his fault I'm poor!" And of course, any addict to anything blames everyone but himself for his plight. This effect is magnified when, as is mathematically probable, they see our stack getting bigger while theirs is getting smaller.
Most of this extremely hostile stuff I observe to go along black-white lines and I think they're treating their experience at the table as a paradigm for race relations in general. "Here's another white guy cheating me out of my opportunity." "That white guy split tens and I lost. It's his fault I'm poor!" And of course, any addict to anything blames everyone but himself for his plight. This effect is magnified when, as is mathematically probable, they see our stack getting bigger while theirs is getting smaller.
blackchipjim
Well-Known Member
Pissing matchs?
I have seen tables blow up after boiling for just a short time. P.A. casinos will get their share of doofus players but they fade away after a short time. It makes my job easier when someone is playing off the wall and drawing the heat from me. This phenomena goes past economic lines and intelligence quotas. I've seen rich men play just as stupid as the poor man. I've seen piles of chips disappear in front of people and magically appear across from them only a little while later.:laugh:
I have seen tables blow up after boiling for just a short time. P.A. casinos will get their share of doofus players but they fade away after a short time. It makes my job easier when someone is playing off the wall and drawing the heat from me. This phenomena goes past economic lines and intelligence quotas. I've seen rich men play just as stupid as the poor man. I've seen piles of chips disappear in front of people and magically appear across from them only a little while later.:laugh:
Jack_Black
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NEWSFLASH: alcohol and gambling don't mix!
our playground is dangerous, but then again, the guy in the hospital was asking for it. he was drunk and told the guy that the only reason why he started to play two spots was to specifically keep the other guy from playing on his table. especially after the guy said "somebody hold my spot, I gotta go to the ATM." btw, isn't that the dealer's job to hold your spot for you?
I just mind my own business. I admit I blow up sometimes, but my cover is to act like a dumb ploppy and not know too much about the game. I admit I blew up one time when I split some tens and this guy wouldn't shut up about it for about 5 minutes afterwards. I yelled "I did it cause I knew there were plenty of ****ing tens in there, so shut up already!!" Pretty stupid thing to blurt out. hey, you know that saying of "don't stoop to their level." "you're no better than they are if you do that." well, I get it now.
our playground is dangerous, but then again, the guy in the hospital was asking for it. he was drunk and told the guy that the only reason why he started to play two spots was to specifically keep the other guy from playing on his table. especially after the guy said "somebody hold my spot, I gotta go to the ATM." btw, isn't that the dealer's job to hold your spot for you?
I just mind my own business. I admit I blow up sometimes, but my cover is to act like a dumb ploppy and not know too much about the game. I admit I blew up one time when I split some tens and this guy wouldn't shut up about it for about 5 minutes afterwards. I yelled "I did it cause I knew there were plenty of ****ing tens in there, so shut up already!!" Pretty stupid thing to blurt out. hey, you know that saying of "don't stoop to their level." "you're no better than they are if you do that." well, I get it now.
mathman
Well-Known Member
Unfortunately it goes with the territory
Doing what we do involves deviating from accepted basic strategy and often does invoke hostile responses from other players. Most are just verbal but occasionally bring threats also. At my home casino I'm known and respected as a "good" player and many times have had a dealer speak up to a player on my behalf. I recently was viciously verbally attacked in a HL game for hitting my 12 against a dealer 3. This was during a negative count and a perfectly acceptable move by any strategy. I honestly believe if security had not been lurking near by this guy would have gotten physical. The dealer came to my defense as hitting a 12 against a 3 is a move by the "book". This guy continued to freak out until security asked him to leave. As he was being escorted away he accused me of taking that hit against a dealer 5. The dealer again corrected him and he began to get physical with the native security officer.:whip: I'm not sure what became of him but the whole incident was fairly bizarre. The ironic part of this story was we were both killing that shoe! Cards were falling for both of us even though I was the only AP. There was certainly no reason for him getting upset as we both had won the majority of hands and he being a progression better was actually making more than me. People are very strange sometimes. This is one of many incidents I've had over the years. At Caesars in AC I had to ask for help from security because of an incident that began at the tables and then that person was shadowing me and I was fearing for my safety if I left the casino. It is unfortunately part of our world...JtMM
Doing what we do involves deviating from accepted basic strategy and often does invoke hostile responses from other players. Most are just verbal but occasionally bring threats also. At my home casino I'm known and respected as a "good" player and many times have had a dealer speak up to a player on my behalf. I recently was viciously verbally attacked in a HL game for hitting my 12 against a dealer 3. This was during a negative count and a perfectly acceptable move by any strategy. I honestly believe if security had not been lurking near by this guy would have gotten physical. The dealer came to my defense as hitting a 12 against a 3 is a move by the "book". This guy continued to freak out until security asked him to leave. As he was being escorted away he accused me of taking that hit against a dealer 5. The dealer again corrected him and he began to get physical with the native security officer.:whip: I'm not sure what became of him but the whole incident was fairly bizarre. The ironic part of this story was we were both killing that shoe! Cards were falling for both of us even though I was the only AP. There was certainly no reason for him getting upset as we both had won the majority of hands and he being a progression better was actually making more than me. People are very strange sometimes. This is one of many incidents I've had over the years. At Caesars in AC I had to ask for help from security because of an incident that began at the tables and then that person was shadowing me and I was fearing for my safety if I left the casino. It is unfortunately part of our world...JtMM
Automatic Monkey
Banned
It's much worse in the Spanish 21 world, where we make plays that are unheard of by and shocking to anyone but AP's. Add to that the fact that most players are there only to play the Match the Dealer sidebet, which they think of as like a slot machine and know or care nothing about the strategy of the main bet. We also pull of some stunning wins in SP21, large bets and big bonuses, and that infuriates them even more sometimes.mathman said:Doing what we do involves deviating from accepted basic strategy and often does invoke hostile responses from other players. Most are just verbal but occasionally bring threats also. At my home casino I'm known and respected as a "good" player and many times have had a dealer speak up to a player on my behalf. I recently was viciously verbally attacked in a HL game for hitting my 12 against a dealer 3. This was during a negative count and a perfectly acceptable move by any strategy. I honestly believe if security had not been lurking near by this guy would have gotten physical. The dealer came to my defense as hitting a 12 against a 3 is a move by the "book". This guy continued to freak out until security asked him to leave. As he was being escorted away he accused me of taking that hit against a dealer 5. The dealer again corrected him and he began to get physical with the native security officer.:whip: I'm not sure what became of him but the whole incident was fairly bizarre. The ironic part of this story was we were both killing that shoe! Cards were falling for both of us even though I was the only AP. There was certainly no reason for him getting upset as we both had won the majority of hands and he being a progression better was actually making more than me. People are very strange sometimes. This is one of many incidents I've had over the years. At Caesars in AC I had to ask for help from security because of an incident that began at the tables and then that person was shadowing me and I was fearing for my safety if I left the casino. It is unfortunately part of our world...JtMM
So what you get are fewer middle-aged white male know-it-alls who condemn you for splitting 10's and more superstitious "flow of the cards" ploppies who go berserk if you mess with their voodoo. But at the same time you can get these same people laughing and cheering and being fun if you can convince them you are helping their voodoo. A very simple-minded, almost childlike crowd, and intelligent people like AP's tend not to be comfortable interacting with the simple-minded (and I suspect not with children either!) but consider dealing with ploppies appropriately a challenge, a way to expand and improve yourself personally. :angel:
Unfortuneate indeed
Mathman - I think I have met your "friend." I sat down once to a new shoe, my first hand upon arriving at the casino, and I got a 12 on a dealer 2. I hit it, got a 10, and the guy sitting at thrid base went insane. F-this, F-that, you F-ing F. He got up and left after the hand but the sad thing was that unlike your experience, the dealer was in agreement that it was bad hit and it appeared that the guy that flipped out was a regular as I was the occasional visitor to this casino. I didn't say anything to the nutjob or the dealer, just went about my business for the next two hours, was cordial to the dealer and other players, and luckily made about $100.
Mathman - I think I have met your "friend." I sat down once to a new shoe, my first hand upon arriving at the casino, and I got a 12 on a dealer 2. I hit it, got a 10, and the guy sitting at thrid base went insane. F-this, F-that, you F-ing F. He got up and left after the hand but the sad thing was that unlike your experience, the dealer was in agreement that it was bad hit and it appeared that the guy that flipped out was a regular as I was the occasional visitor to this casino. I didn't say anything to the nutjob or the dealer, just went about my business for the next two hours, was cordial to the dealer and other players, and luckily made about $100.
NightStalker
Well-Known Member
Was victim playing with
Mitchell's money or his own?
Did victim deny to give Mitchell's spot back?
I could not understand the debate, can anyone please explain?
Mitchell's money or his own?
Did victim deny to give Mitchell's spot back?
I could not understand the debate, can anyone please explain?
sounds like the victim was only playing with victim's money, playing mitchell's spot while mitchell went to the atm. and yes, it sounds like the victim did not want to give the spot back to mitchell.NightStalker said:
the story says that the victim was drunk and that mitchell got several good blows in.
creeping panther
Banned
Fights
I have always said on this site if you are going to throw down do it there and then and no walking outside!
AP's always draw the IRE of other players because of what we hit or do not hit. I ran into a guy the other night that whispered to a friend, who came to the table we were on, something about my play and I almost challenged the guy then and there,,,I kept an eye on him, just waiting for him to run his mouth on me and it was going to happen, sad to say. I do have reason to go off and in a big way, and it is nothing that I can control,,,don't even really want to.
As to the guy in the article, he asked for his beating, it is always a dangerous maneuver to take a spot someone wants to play when you have not been playing it, it is major disrespect, and can really set someone off.
CP
I have always said on this site if you are going to throw down do it there and then and no walking outside!
AP's always draw the IRE of other players because of what we hit or do not hit. I ran into a guy the other night that whispered to a friend, who came to the table we were on, something about my play and I almost challenged the guy then and there,,,I kept an eye on him, just waiting for him to run his mouth on me and it was going to happen, sad to say. I do have reason to go off and in a big way, and it is nothing that I can control,,,don't even really want to.
As to the guy in the article, he asked for his beating, it is always a dangerous maneuver to take a spot someone wants to play when you have not been playing it, it is major disrespect, and can really set someone off.
CP
Automatic Monkey
Banned
I agree that you should not go anywhere to fight, because that shows you consented to it. I don't want to fight at a casino, and if that ever happens I want it to be obvious that it wasn't my idea. My goal is to maximize my hands in a session to maximize my EV.creeping panther said:
Now I elbow my way into a second hand all the time. But you have to accept that you won't always get away with it. It's not valuable enough to risk a fight over, and I've never used bad behavior to empty a seat and get a second hand in.
Disturbing to hear that you can't control yourself. Aren't you the final authority over your own behavior?
gamblingghost
Well-Known Member
Wow AM, you are a class act! That is the way I wanna do it! When I get a hot head wanting to blame me and my play I say, yeah, I don't know what I'm doin! I'm on vacation trying to have fun! Ok?!Automatic Monkey said: