playable Penetration percent?

[dark_hatchling]

What percent of penetration would most of you consider to be playable? At least 75% ? And at what percent does it typically make card counting ineffective?

Thanks

 

[moo321]

Depends on the game. 50% can be playable for single deck. 75% can be unplayable for a shoe. Also depends on the rules.

 

[dark_hatchling]

is there like a guide to what would be acceptable for certain games/rules? Trying to determine whats good at some local casinos

 

[shinyam]

Get your hands on CVCX. It will tell you your advantage and SCORE for given conditions, or get a copy of blackjack attack.

 

[iCountNTrack]

is there like a guide to what would be acceptable for certain games/rules? Trying to determine whats good at some local casinos

Here is something to get you started
http://www.blackjackincolor.com/penetration3.htm
http://www.blackjackincolor.com/penetration4.htm
http://www.blackjackincolor.com/penetration5.htm
http://www.blackjackincolor.com/penetration6.htm
http://www.blackjackincolor.com/penetration7.htm
http://www.blackjackincolor.com/penetration8.htm

But as it was mentioned already it, you need to invest in CVCX, it is really an excellent investment for the amount of information it provides

 

[Xenophon]

Buy Blackbelt in Blackjack

by Arnold Snyder. It has a chart that balances all of the factors needed to determine if the game is playable.

 

[Billy C1]

What percent of penetration would most of you consider to be playable? At least 75% ? And at what percent does it typically make card counting ineffective?

Thanks

When doing nothing but back counting and wonging, any percentage of pen can be played. The math IS the math.
Needless to say the higher pens are preferred for obvious reasons.

BillyC1

 

[Gamblor]

by Arnold Snyder. It has a chart that balances all of the factors needed to determine if the game is playable.

Yep, this, his book has what he considers are bad, average, good pen. If I recall correctly, 75% is decent.

 

[Xenophon]

Yep, this, his book has what he considers are bad, average, good pen. If I recall correctly, 75% is decent.

Right. He named his chart "The Snyder Profit Index." It takes into account:

1) number of players
2) percent dealt
3) rules
4) spread

It then defines the game as a winner, table hop only, or time waster.

I recommend first getting this, then getting CVCX.

 

[dark_hatchling]

Right. He named his chart "The Snyder Profit Index." It takes into account:

1) number of players
2) percent dealt
3) rules
4) spread

It then defines the game as a winner, table hop only, or time waster.

I recommend first getting this, then getting CVCX.

what page is the chart on? ah i'll look harder when i get off work.

 

[Xenophon]

what page is the chart on? ah i'll look harder when i get off work.

pgs. 120-121

 

[dark_hatchling]

hmm... seems to not be there, Iv'e got the "revised and expanded" edition, reprinted in 1998

 

[Gamblor]

hmm... seems to not be there, Iv'e got the "revised and expanded" edition, reprinted in 1998

I have the 2005 edition and its where Xenophon says (p 120-121). Its in chapter 11 "Table Conditions" if that helps.

 

[zengrifter]

When doing nothing but back counting and wonging, any percentage of pen can be played.

A bit of an over statement, don't you think old chap? zg

 

[dark_hatchling]

ya mine is definitely a little different, different pages.. there is a section talking about table conditions, but there is no chart

 

[Billy C1]

A bit of an over statement, don't you think old chap? zg

How so?

 

[Bacchante]

Here's a link to the Snyder Profit Index. (The chart for calculating the game conditions on on Part II) (Dead link: http://plazcasino.com/2)