Playing against the dealer 1 on 1 vs playing in a group

RJMNYC

Active Member
#1
I have had good success playing against the dealer, alone. A dealer who saw me win $200 from another dealer I was playing the morning before told me I was lucky and advised against playing 1 on 1 with her. After a few minutes I was up $50 on a $5.00 bet. So, does playing the dealer vs playing in a group really make a difference?
 

jay28

Well-Known Member
#2
You''ll make more cash heads up If your playing with an advanage because game play is much quicker, so you'll get to play more hands per hour and therefore make more money per hour.

If your not playing with an advanage, just for fun, a ploppie, etc. then it's better if the table is full because game play is much slower, you'll see less hands per hour and therefore lose less money per hour.
 

Mimosine

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#3
RJMNYC said:
So, does playing the dealer vs playing in a group really make a difference?
Yes. Playing against just the dealer, you will lose more money, more quickly, than playing at a full table where you get less hands per hour. Every hand you play is at a disadvantage against the house, the more you play, the more you lose. You won a total of 10 more bets than you lost, there is nothing remarkable or statistically significant about that. Play 10,000 more hands 1 v 1, then report back.
 

hawkeye

Well-Known Member
#4
I know it's anathema to the so-called "pros" around here but I like playing at a table with more people because I find it to be much more fun. I don't play for serious money, maybe if I did I would have a different opinion. But part of the fun to me is seeing all the different people in a casino, talking to them, seeing them interact with the dealer, and make stupid decisions or make great plays. It's all fun.

You can obviously play more hands per hour heads up, but the blackjack table is a social place to me.
 

shadroch

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#5
Ploppie logic- Playing heads up against a dealer,you should get about half the blackjacks. Playing with two other players,you should get about a quarter of the blackjacks. Half is better than a quarter.
 

ihate17

Well-Known Member
#6
I play loads of heads up

An advantage player will make more money playing heads up because he gets more hands in. That said: If playing shoes heads up, no matter how good the pen and other conditions, if the count tanks you need to wong out quickly. No one should play deck after deck of a negative shoe heads up and expect to win.

ihate17
 
#7
shadroch said:
Ploppie logic- Playing heads up against a dealer,you should get about half the blackjacks. Playing with two other players,you should get about a quarter of the blackjacks. Half is better than a quarter.
Depends on how the cards fall. The biggest fallacy in this statement is the word SHOULD GET. That's in theory.
 

callipygian

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#8
hawkeye said:
I know it's anathema to the so-called "pros" around here but I like playing at a table with more people because I find it to be much more fun.
There's nothing wrong with it, it'll lower your per hour win rate but if you're not serious about the game that's not a problem.
 

TheApprentice

Well-Known Member
#9
Hand Interaction

more players means more opportunities for the Hand Interactions according to Renzey's BJBBII.

How many AP regulars are taking advantage of buying other player's hands or filling in doubles, etc?
 
#10
Rjm-ny-ny.

RJMNYC said:
I have had good success playing against the dealer, alone. A dealer who saw me win $200 from another dealer I was playing the morning before told me I was lucky and advised against playing 1 on 1 with her. After a few minutes I was up $50 on a $5.00 bet. So, does playing the dealer vs playing in a group really make a difference?
Actually if you are a skilled AP no posts have as yet touched on the real reason why Headsup is so much better, and it has nothing to do with more hands per hour, although that is a small part of the reason.

Headsup is a "Going To War" style of play. It is also personal;) If you do not have the proper skillz or mindset, don't do it.

CP
 

21forme

Well-Known Member
#11
I prefer one or two other players at the table. Better for sitting out some hands in a negative count and having someone else eat the cards.
 

bjcount

Well-Known Member
#12
creeping panther said:
Actually if you are a skilled AP no posts have as yet touched on the real reason why Headsup is so much better, and it has nothing to do with more hands per hour, although that is a small part of the reason.

Headsup is a "Going To War" style of play. It is also personal;) If you do not have the proper skillz or mindset, don't do it.

CP

Card counting is only one part of the entire picture. Add some shuffle track and ace location and you want the cards, not the guy sitting next to you.
If you need to add a hand or two to pick up those Tens and Aces, try doing it with other players or a full table. Working extra hard needs full control of the table. I like the 50-50 odds in the attempt to get my cards or even better 2 hands gives me 66% chance to get what I'm looking for. If you want to give hand outs, give it to your house of prayer and get a tax deduction out of it.

You can't sit out any hands in many $25-$50min were I play. NMS prevails if you want a halfway decent game and heads up to boot.
BJC
 
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Mimosine

Well-Known Member
#13
TheApprentice said:
more players means more opportunities for the Hand Interactions according to Renzey's BJBBII.

How many AP regulars are taking advantage of buying other player's hands or filling in doubles, etc?

i've never bought a hand or seen it done.

i've gone partners on countless DDs and only a few splits - since some splits are good, and some are bad (for partnering, for the person playing the hand if BS says split, then that is the right move).

I've also insured "someone elses hand" before.
 

shadroch

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#14
InPlay said:
Depends on how the cards fall. The biggest fallacy in this statement is the word SHOULD GET. That's in theory.

If you believe that the words Should Get are the biggest fallacy in that statement,you are even more full of it that I'd thought.
 

Kasi

Well-Known Member
#15
shadroch said:
If you believe that the words Should Get are the biggest fallacy in that statement,you are even more full of it that I'd thought.
As I'm sure you both know, although the %age of total BJ's dealt personally to you does go down as more players join the table, the %age of total BJ's dealt per round goes up. But your personal BJ expecation is always the same of course - you'll still get it 1 in 21 hands dealt to you lol.

Nobody can steal my Aces from me - I won't let them lol.

How's that for a peace pipe? :)
 
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