Please help with betting

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jones

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Could somebody tell me if betting spread 1 to 10 ($5 to $50 :TC<=1-$5,TC2-$15,$26,$37,$50 ) is enough to beat shoe game. I usually play 8D,S17,DAS,Late surrender,penetration 67%-80%). I use Hi-lo + Indexes(-1 to +6) from Professional Blackjak ( Wong's book). Despite of my technique, I lost most of my bankroll.I don't have any sim program and I am not sure what should I improve to start winning. Mostly I can not leave table at negative counts, because I would not find empty space for rest of the night.I can not find different casino, because there is no other in my area.Thank you very much for your help. :) :)
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

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jones said:
Could somebody tell me if betting spread 1 to 10 ($5 to $50 :TC<=1-$5,TC2-$15,$26,$37,$50 ) is enough to beat shoe game. I usually play 8D,S17,DAS,Late surrender,penetration 67%-80%). I use Hi-lo + Indexes(-1 to +6) from Professional Blackjak ( Wong's book). Despite of my technique, I lost most of my bankroll.I don't have any sim program and I am not sure what should I improve to start winning. Mostly I can not leave table at negative counts, because I would not find empty space for rest of the night.I can not find different casino, because there is no other in my area.Thank you very much for your help. :) :)
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Its NOT quite enough UNLESS you exit (bet 0) at -2 or less.
Now, since your BR is compromised, bet like this and go for broke -

+2 = $10
+4 = $15+$15
+5 = $20+$20

Since you can't move immediately to another table, use any excuse you can to avoid betting at -1 or lower including cell calls, bathroom breaks, etc. Good luck! zg
 
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jones

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Betting

I just both Blackjack 6-7-8 and trying to run some simulation. It seems that this program is very confusing for me. If I want change same parametr I have to open many pages and it does not change it many times anywhere. If it start simulate, the numbers are very different from books I recently read. Has anybody same experience with this program? How much would be average gain per hour 8decks,DA2,DAS,Late Surrender,Hi-lo(variation -1 to +6), 75% penetration,betting spread for expampl 1 to 10 ($5 to 50) or 1 to 16 ($5 to 80).This program says $5 for spread 1 to 10 and $7 for 1 to 16. I though that it is supose to be little bit more. Are this numbers right?
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

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jones said:
I just both Blackjack 6-7-8 and trying to run some simulation. It seems that this program is very confusing for me. If I want change same parametr I have to open many pages and it does not change it many times anywhere. If it start simulate, the numbers are very different from books I recently read. Has anybody same experience with this program? How much would be average gain per hour 8decks,DA2,DAS,Late Surrender,Hi-lo(variation -1 to +6), 75% penetration,betting spread for expampl 1 to 10 ($5 to 50) or 1 to 16 ($5 to 80).This program says $5 for spread 1 to 10 and $7 for 1 to 16. I though that it is supose to be little bit more. Are this numbers right?
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The numbers sound right for "play all counts". zg
 
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jones

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Thank you for fast answer. I have to start traveling and find tables with better conditions. 5 dollars per hour is too little and not worth play at casino cruises. 3 hours plaiyng takes me extra 3,5 hours traveling and waiting. I have spent 4 moths reading books and practising counting and now I wish I could win something. I'll try Vegas soon. Just hope I'll be succesfull.
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

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jones said:
Thank you for fast answer. I have to start traveling and find tables with better conditions.
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Those conditions are OK... IF you can limit your minus count exposure. The benchmark playability guideline is +2u per 100 hands. If you minimize your minus count exposure you can get the +2u with a smaller spread (max-bet 2hands of 4u). zg
 
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jones

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Thank you, I really apreciate your help. My wife just decided to start playing with me, so we can get in more money in positive counts with smaller spreads and leave to bathroom on negative counts. I can count very fast and I just need to find way to use it well and don't loose all my money. I want visit Vegas and try also wonging. Thank you.
 
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PokerJunky

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Wonging in out

Keep in mind that zengrifter's comments are on the mark. The problem is that pit bosses have been trained to look for so-called people coming in and out of shoes. You can only go to the bathroom and answer cell calls so many times. Plus you mentioned that you do not have many casinos around you. YOU WILL BE FLAGGED AS A COUNTER (between 1-10 spread and jumping in and out of shoes)! It is just a matter of time.

Unfortunately, the pit critters are not as oblvious as they are described in some books...
 
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jones

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I live in south and I play at cruises. Mostly at one cruise, otherwise I have to travel a couple of hours. I tried play two hands at very positive count, there was not any problem, but I was watched by pit boss couple of times.Til now he never said to me anything. I try look like a drunk, be happy or angry.
I don't know if camuflage works. Main bankroll is smaller than at the beginning, so I think I may look more like a gambler. I hope I can practise here for a while and not beeing bared. I definitely want to go samewhere where is more casinos, but the travel expensive are huge. Right know I am trying figured out how to keep travel expensive at minimum. Next week I am planning drive to Mississsippi and Luisiana for 5 days and try luck.
 
zengrifter

zengrifter

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PokerJunky said:
You can only go to the bathroom and answer cell calls so many times.
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I disagree, there is virtually NO LIMIT to the number of cell-calls and breaks! Further, you should neel NO SELF-CONSCIOUSNESS WHATSOVER in going to 2hands of 4-5u in the higher counts. zg
 
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jones

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Trackjack??

Please could you tell me your opinion about Trackjack? I subscribed yesterday I checked same casinos in Florida and Mississippi. It looks that informations there are very old.I found it there absolutelly not maching reality. Listed casinos does not exist long time and casinos I have been are not there.
Are any information right at Trackjack? I thought I could use it in my trip, but it looks it is useless.
 
QFIT

QFIT

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Warning

T-Man has for years gone around the 'Net and posted under various aliases that he just signed up for TJ and it is no good. He has made it clear that he will do or say anything to destroy RGE for personal reasons. I don't know if that is the case here; but he has been behind nearly every negative comment on TJ.
 
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TENNBEAR

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I would go to Philidelthia, Miss

jones said:
I live in Florida and I play at cruises. Mostly at one cruise, otherwise I have to travel a couple of hours. I tried play two hands at very positive count, there was not any problem, but I was watched by pit boss couple of times.Til now he never said to me anything. I try look like a drunk, be happy or angry.
I don't know if camuflage works. Main bankroll is smaller than at the beginning, so I think I may look more like a gambler. I hope I can practise here for a while and not beeing bared. I definitely want to go samewhere where is more casinos, but the travel expensive are huge. Right know I am trying figured out how to keep travel expensive at minimum. Next week I am planning drive to Mississsippi and Luisiana for 5 days and try luck.
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Silverstar/Golden Moon Casino has DD hand held Blackjack where the dealer stands on soft 17s on 15.00 min tables. they will require you to double your bet to play two spots. On handheld games on multi hit hands, stall and act as if you do not remember how to play the hand, and ask the person next to you if you should hit or stand, when you bust out, stall and say I counted that wrong, Acting stupid is easy for me, you just need to be careful and not overplay it.
Good Luck
 
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jones

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First of all, thank you everybody for help. I'll check CBJN.
For QFIT: for example: Florida Hollywood there is No Sun Cruz -closed, different cruises than listed, and many casinos no reports listed. This must be at least year old!! In TJ is too many Sun Cruz casinos I think many are closed already. Biloxi I thought that only 3 casinos are open recently-I have made phone call to every casino. New Orleans, Gulfport- not update. I have no Idea about other casino conditions. How about Las Vegas is it updated? I plan soon visit Las Vegas and I would need recent information. I am beginner and I live south east. Are you working for TJ?
I definitely do not want destroy TJ I just want to share info and get uptaded info -make it better.- I paid for it.

Can you explain me please what this means "RES Random Ejection Shuffler". I have never read what this is. Thank you.
 
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jones

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I definetely like all optins on TJ, I just need current conditios because I have to start travel a lot to play BJ and traveling is expensive for me. I have only small bankroll, so I am mostly looking for $5 min tables and small edge on top.
 
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