Rasing the Bet, Avoiding Heat

[ThunderWalk]

So... the count goes your way. How much can you increase the bet without drawing attention to yourself if you're out on the floor and not at a High Stakes table?

What do you say as the dealer glances at you, or the PB decides to come over and stands beside the dealer watching your play?

 

[Sonny]

So... the count goes your way. How much can you increase the bet without drawing attention to yourself if you're out on the floor and not at a High Stakes table?

It depends on the casino. I have been able to jump from 1 unit to 4 units and back again at a few SD games. The shoe games are often easier to chunk your bets. If you're worried about heat you can limit yourself to 2x or 3x your last bet, but only if you need to. If you are playing for small stakes then you often don't have to worry about cover at all. Just bet with the count and nobody will care. You will usually not be at a single table long enough for anyone to notice.

What do you say as the dealer glances at you, or the PB decides to come over and stand beside the dealer watching your play?

I start chatting up the PB. Ask him stupid "tourist" questions like "Which way is the coffee shop?" or "Where's the gift shop?" Joke with the dealer about how he is "really hot" or "ice cold" tonight. If you want to get rid of the PB, ask him to write you a comp for something. Ask for anything from show tickets, meal comps, line passes, or just cigarettes. He’ll have to leave the table to do the paperwork. If he refuses the comp, playfully razz him about “busting your balls” or about how your wallet is paying his salary. :laugh:

Dealing with casino employees can be complicated. There is much more information in Ian Anderson’s book “Burning the Table in Las Vegas” and “Turning the Tables in Las Vegas” as well as Max Rubin’s “Comp City.” Once you get to the high stakes level you will need to be familiar with these concepts. In the meantime, just play an aggressive game and pay attention to employees.

-Sonny-

 

[mdlbj]

So... the count goes your way. How much can you increase the bet without drawing attention to yourself if you're out on the floor and not at a High Stakes table?

What do you say as the dealer glances at you, or the PB decides to come over and stand beside the dealer watching your play?

Was at MGM last weekend, 1-10 units on my spread and was fine.

 

[zengrifter]

Was at MGM last weekend, 1-10 units on my spread and was fine.

You could have gone 1-30 at MGM. AND, if you weren't wonging you weren't playing a winning EV. zg

 

[Automatic Monkey]

You could have gone 1-30 at MGM. AND, if you weren't wonging you weren't playing a winning EV. zg

I agree with the first clause but not the second. Sure, Wonging is the way to go with any shoe game but a 1-10 spread puts you well into positive EV even without it.

 

[zengrifter]

I agree with the first clause but not the second. Sure, Wonging is the way to go with any shoe game but a 1-10 spread puts you well into positive EV even without it.

He may need to see the trade off in variance to understand why its not a winner - play-all vs. exit-wong 1-10 6D 75%-pene - and I don't think that its accurate to say "well into +EV even without [wonging]" zg

 

[supercoolmancool]

Yes it is a common misconception among card counters. I call it the fallacy of card counters. Wonging actually reduces your variances as oppose to play-all.

 

[Automatic Monkey]

Yes it is a common misconception among card counters. I call it the fallacy of card counters. Wonging actually reduces your variances as oppose to play-all.

All other things equalized, sure. It is true that if you have the same bankroll and the same bets at high counts, Wonging around will cause you to see ruin more often than playing all or Wonging out, simply because you are seeing more high counts that way and putting more money at risk. But if you are Wonging around you can lower your bets and achieve the same win rate you would using either of those other methods with dramatically lower risk of ruin.

 

[mdlbj]

You could have gone 1-30 at MGM. AND, if you weren't wonging you weren't playing a winning EV. zg

stand on s17 DAS early surrender 70 + pen.. It was aight. I would have love to play table max but, this was my green and did not want to be left without enough to party at the pure. However, I was well ahead when I split. Wonged on a couple, late into the shoe with a crap count.

You would not happen to be the Israeli that was sitting next to me would you ZG?