# really 30% edge to manipulate the exposed face card?

#### Michael

##### Member
In the book busting vegas,it mentions that if they managed to see the last card the the deck, they have the skill the cut exactly 52 or 53 card and they tried the count the dealt cards and make sure that that 52th card is used by dealer, if dealer need to hit. It said the increased 30% edge on each bet on the table since dealer has better chance to bust. the question is even they can cut the card and count the card so accurate that dealer would need that T value card in case dealer has 17 or less or S17, it really increased the edge by 30% without consideration the count?
Also, the book seems exaggerate the edge of Ace locating. even they saw on ace on the exposed card and manage the bet big when Ace come, they really have over 50% edge when receiving the Ace? remember, you have only 1/3 to get a BJ after getting an Ace.

thanks.

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#### Sonny

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&gt; the question is even they can cut the card and count the card so accurate
&gt; that dealer would need that T value card in case dealer has 17 or less or
&gt; S17, it really increased the edge by 30% without consideration the count?

Yes, they could have a 30% edge on that particular hand only. As you can see, there are a lot of "IFs" involved. IF they see the card, IF they can cut accurately, IF they can steer the card to be the dealer's hit card, IF the dealer needs that hit card. Also, the advantage will only be on that one hand, not overall. It does not take into consideration the hands played, and possibly misplayed for steering purposes, at a disadvantage.

&gt; Also, the book seems exagerate the edge of Ace locating. even they saw on ace
&gt; on the exposed card and manage the bet big when Ace come, they really have
&gt; over 50% edge when receving the Ace?

Again, even more ifs. In theory, yes, they could enjoy over a 50% edge on that hand if they can predict the ace accurately. Unfortunately, there are numerous mistakes that would reduce, and possibly nulify, that advantage.

The advantages from these techniques are very difficult to estimate because of the many factors that must be satisfied for them to be effective. The skill involved and the accuracy that is humanly possible is also very subjective. The only way to estimate the advantage is to practice at home and calculate your accuracy.

-Sonny-

#### Michael

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so what is the edge you get when receive an Ace?

regargless the count the the deck, what is the edge you can get for a specific hand when you received an Ace? You have about 1/3 chance to get BJ, and Ace can be used for soft double down again a bust card. Based on my own playing experience, getting an Ace at a low count part is not very helpful , in consideration of lower chance to get BJ , and dealer is hard to busy when DD with softhand again bust card.

seems many said there is over 50% advantage for that any hand reveiving an ACe, I am a little confused.

thanks

#### xengrifter

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Michael said:
many said there is over 50% advantage for that any hand reveiving an ACe
Not exactly - Ace must be the FIRST card dealt to your spot(s).