Risky, but it works..

psyduck

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#61
zengrifter said:
And he typically conceded and said in effect, "well, back to the drawing board." No? zg
Right on! Now the poor guy may have come up with another system. Since he can no longer post it here to be proven wrong, he may think he has finally found the gold mine.
 

aslan

Well-Known Member
#62
psyduck said:
Right on! Now the poor guy may have come up with another system. Since he can no longer post it here to be proven wrong, he may think he has finally found the gold mine.
Poor guy.:eek: He wouldn't listen to the sound advice he got here, and now the poor guy must learn the hard way--- on the tables. There's an old adage, "You don't have to jump in the lake to know you're going to get wet." View attachment 7120

Conversely, there's an equally old saying, "Experience is the best teacher." Look at it this way. We haven't given up on Picasso, we've simply turned him over to a better teacher. :cool:
 

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#63
blackjacktilt said:
Progression might work for a session or two and you might have fun in the SHORT TERM. If you like losing money and having "fun" while doing so, cool.
With this being an advantage player website, you cannot preach this garbage without expecting to be shot down.
Sorry, progression systems will not consistently make you money, and if someone tells you they win all the time using these garbage systems, they are lying.
I've been up +$20,000 on 2 seperate occasions.. Each instance winning 15 straight sessions or more.

So feel free to call this garbage..

Did I lose after that ? I certainly did..Its bound to happen. I lost $5000 on the next session. But was still up +$15,000 at that casino...so I stopped & quit then.

This is how I legitimately play & win. If you think i'm nuts, then feel free & ban me. Am I trying to get others to do the same ? hel* no , i've seen how the odds can go. Just telling my side & my experience.


Just learn how to count cards, you people put so much effort in learning these money losing systems, I don't understand it.
Card counting is proven, period.
Long term you will make money.
Even in the long term, you're talking nickels & dimes for the most part.. I find there are better chances with other approaches.
 

aslan

Well-Known Member
#65
mikeinjersey said:
I've been up +$20,000 on 2 seperate occasions.. Each instance winning 15 straight sessions or more.

So feel free to call this garbage..

Did I lose after that ? I certainly did..Its bound to happen. I lost $5000 on the next session. But was still up +$15,000 at that casino...so I stopped & quit then.

This is how I legitimately play & win. If you think i'm nuts, then feel free & ban me. Am I trying to get others to do the same ? hel* no , i've seen how the odds can go. Just telling my side & my experience.




Even in the long term, you're talking nickels & dimes for the most part.. I find there are better chances with other approaches.
I am sure that out of every so many people, a few actually win consistently using progressions. Just like people who don't do anything special but bet big. Some people I am sure win all or most of their big bets. I for instance have played roulette now 3 times for $500, $2,000 and $500 wins. But I advise anyone to ignore my success, since it was based purely on luck and steaming behavior. I refer to think if such actions as stupid, even though I was lucky and won. If you are using progressions, I advise you to think the same way, because the next outing may be the one that drags you into a black hole free fall. Or if you have stop losses, the next several may do equivalently the same thing. The odds are more in favor of it than against considering that BJ itself is a -EV game. If you ignore my caution, all I can say is, "Enjoy your trip!"
 

21gunsalute

Well-Known Member
#66
mikeinjersey said:
I've been up +$20,000 on 2 seperate occasions.. Each instance winning 15 straight sessions or more.

So feel free to call this garbage..

Did I lose after that ? I certainly did..Its bound to happen. I lost $5000 on the next session. But was still up +$15,000 at that casino...so I stopped & quit then.

This is how I legitimately play & win. If you think i'm nuts, then feel free & ban me. Am I trying to get others to do the same ? hel* no , i've seen how the odds can go. Just telling my side & my experience.
So what's your point in sharing this information if you're not trying to convince others to do it? The only reasons I can think of would be:

1. To satisfy your own overly inflated ego by bragging up a storm.
2. Because you're extremely shallow and weak-minded, very unsure of yourself, looking for positive reinforcement in cyberspace because you're not getting any in real life. You're not getting it here either, but then again you certainly don't seem to be a very quick learner.

These 2 go hand in hand and such behavior is a recipe for disaster, as are your insane progressions. Sorry to be so harsh but you need to hear this! You don't seem to understand, or deliberately reject when people talk logically or factually to you, so maybe if someone gets right in your face and tells you in specific terms that you're being an idiot you'll finally get it. But I don't hold out much hope for you because you seem to be nothing but a stubborn, know-it-all, punk, brat who won't listen to reason and common sense..
 

aslan

Well-Known Member
#67
21gunsalute said:
So what's your point in sharing this information if you're not trying to convince others to do it? The only reasons I can think of would be:

1. To satisfy your own overly inflated ego by bragging up a storm.
2. Because you're extremely shallow and weak-minded, very unsure of yourself, looking for positive reinforcement in cyberspace because you're not getting any in real life. You're not getting it here either, but then again you certainly don't seem to be a very quick learner.

These 2 go hand in hand and such behavior is a recipe for disaster, as are your insane progressions. Sorry to be so harsh but you need to hear this! You don't seem to understand, or deliberately reject when people talk logically or factually to you, so maybe if someone gets right in your face and tells you in specific terms that you're being an idiot you'll finally get it. But I don't hold out much hope for you because you seem to be nothing but a stubborn, know-it-all, punk, brat who won't listen to reason and common sense..
You remind me of the GEICO commercial where they pose the question: "Does a former drill sergeant make a terrible therapist?" :laugh: http://search.yahoo.com/search?p=GEICO+would+an+ex-drill+sergeant+make+a+good+psychoanalyst%3F&ei=UTF-8&fr=clearspringff
 

aslan

Well-Known Member
#70
Blue Efficacy said:
People here don't like to acknowledge this, but it is possible to be a winner at blackjack without playing at a mathematical advantage. It just takes luck.
Of course it is. But you can't make yourself lucky. You can't study to be lucky. Rubbing a lucky rabbit foot won't make you lucky, even though you might think it does. A lucky person would be well advised to study advantage techniques to supplement his luckiness. You never know when your luck will run out!
 

caramel6

Well-Known Member
#71
Blue Efficacy said:
People here don't like to acknowledge this, but it is possible to be a winner at blackjack without playing at a mathematical advantage. It just takes luck.
do you mean winning CONSISTENTLY without counting cards?
 
#72
aslan said:
I for instance have played roulette now 3 times for $500, $2,000 and $500 wins. But I advise anyone to ignore my success, since it was based purely on luck and steaming behavior.
Tell us about this steaming behavior, Brother Aslan. zg
 
#73
Especially when going AGAINST basic strategy. I'll be honest, I think that's how i've basically prevented myself from losing 9 or 10 many times. (staying on 15 when dealer has 10 , etc ) Of course I would ONLY do that if I saw a ton a facecards come right before then.
Definitely its a Jersey thing. zg
 

aslan

Well-Known Member
#74
zengrifter said:
Tell us about this steaming behavior, Brother Aslan. zg
:laugh:

One characteristic is over-betting your bankroll even with a decided advantage over the house. in an attempt to get even after a serious bout of negative variance. You've been there, zg, don't deny it. And sometimes we manage to pull a Houdini and escape or even win. At other times, we only compound the problem. Did you ever mentally increase your replenishible bankroll while in the throes of negative variance? I have, and it's not a good sign. :laugh:

Another type of steaming is an attitude that I'd rather go home broke and at least take a chance on winning some of my bankroll back. This has led me to drop bets of $500 or a $1,000 on the roulette wheel. To date I am $3,000 ahead doing this stupid maneuver. :laugh:

The worst kind of steaming is failing to end a losing session when you are tired, hungry, and depressed. You refuse to give up. You keep saying to yourself, this cannot continue--yet it does. Fuhgetaboutit. Fate has your number. The more you play the more you lose, and your thinking goes kaput. You make bad moves and unwarranted bets. This is something I experienced in my first year at the tables, but less and less ever since. Now, it does not faze me to walk away from a losing session. At least, they are getting shorter and shorter, and I do value my sleep time. There's always tomorrow. :cool:

THere you have it Mr. Z-- can you relate to any of it? I'm sure you can. Either that, or you're over-dosing! :laugh::whip:
 

21gunsalute

Well-Known Member
#75
aslan said:
Another type of steaming is an attitude that I'd rather go home broke and at least take a chance on winning some of my bankroll back. This has led me to drop bets of $500 or a $1,000 on the roulette wheel. To date I am $3,000 ahead doing this stupid maneuver. :laugh:
If you lose at roulette just keep doubling your bet until you win. :devil:
 

gamblingghost

Well-Known Member
#76
aslan said:
:laugh:

One characteristic is over-betting your bankroll even with a decided advantage over the house. in an attempt to get even after a serious bout of negative variance. You've been there, zg, don't deny it. And sometimes we manage to pull a Houdini and escape or even win. At other times, we only compound the problem. Did you ever mentally increase your replenishible bankroll while in the throes of negative variance? I have, and it's not a good sign. :laugh:

Another type of steaming is an attitude that I'd rather go home broke and at least take a chance on winning some of my bankroll back. This has led me to drop bets of $500 or a $1,000 on the roulette wheel. To date I am $3,000 ahead doing this stupid maneuver. :laugh:

The worst kind of steaming is failing to end a losing session when you are tired, hungry, and depressed. You refuse to give up. You keep saying to yourself, this cannot continue--yet it does. Fuhgetaboutit. Fate has your number. The more you play the more you lose, and your thinking goes kaput. You make bad moves and unwarranted bets. This is something I experienced in my first year at the tables, but less and less ever since. Now, it does not faze me to walk away from a losing session. At least, they are getting shorter and shorter, and I do value my sleep time. There's always tomorrow. :cool:

THere you have it Mr. Z-- can you relate to any of it? I'm sure you can. Either that, or you're over-dosing! :laugh::whip:
I love 'steamin' when the shoe is very positive and I am losing. So, if you ever see a guy standing at the table, with eyes big as silver dollars, saying over and over, "I gotta get it back, I gotta get it back!!" and then often times actually getting it back pretty fast there and then he is yellin, "whoo yeah, Spocks got nothing on me!! Spocks got nothin on me!!" Well, you very well may have just seen me at work.
 

aslan

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#77
21gunsalute said:
If you lose at roulette just keep doubling your bet until you win. :devil:
Hey, do ya think that might win? <--- Rhetorical question; please do not reply. Pleeeeezee... :devil: :laugh: :whip::whip:
 

aslan

Well-Known Member
#78
gamblingghost said:
I love 'steamin' when the shoe is very positive and I am losing. So, if you ever see a guy standing at the table, with eyes big as silver dollars, saying over and over, "I gotta get it back, I gotta get it back!!" and then often times actually getting it back pretty fast there and then he is yellin, "whoo yeah, Spocks got nothing on me!! Spocks got nothin on me!!" Well, you very well may have just seen me at work.
I hope I live to see that! The pit critter will be mumbling to himself, "Who is this Spock guy, anyway???" :laugh:
 

gamblingghost

Well-Known Member
#79
aslan said:
I hope I live to see that! The pit critter will be mumbling to himself, "Who is this Spock guy, anyway???" :laugh:
Sometimes I can be quite animated and cuttin antics and crackin wise. I see some players in a deep concentration and they just hate that stuff. But, alas, not today. My girl friend didn't go to work today because of the snow strom that hit yesterday and she is lining up chores for the ghost.:eek:
 

sagefr0g

Well-Known Member
#80
aslan said:
:laugh:

One characteristic is over-betting your bankroll even with a decided advantage over the house. in an attempt to get even after a serious bout of negative variance. You've been there, zg, don't deny it. And sometimes we manage to pull a Houdini and escape or even win. At other times, we only compound the problem. Did you ever mentally increase your replenishible bankroll while in the throes of negative variance? I have, and it's not a good sign. :laugh:

Another type of steaming is an attitude that I'd rather go home broke and at least take a chance on winning some of my bankroll back. This has led me to drop bets of $500 or a $1,000 on the roulette wheel. To date I am $3,000 ahead doing this stupid maneuver. :laugh:

The worst kind of steaming is failing to end a losing session when you are tired, hungry, and depressed. You refuse to give up. You keep saying to yourself, this cannot continue--yet it does. Fuhgetaboutit. Fate has your number. The more you play the more you lose, and your thinking goes kaput. You make bad moves and unwarranted bets. This is something I experienced in my first year at the tables, but less and less ever since. Now, it does not faze me to walk away from a losing session. At least, they are getting shorter and shorter, and I do value my sleep time. There's always tomorrow. :cool:

THere you have it Mr. Z-- can you relate to any of it? I'm sure you can. Either that, or you're over-dosing! :laugh::whip:
well said aslan.
and have we all done it? well i dunno, but i know i have:eek:. not very often thank goodness, but it doesn't have to be very often to inflict some rather severe damage.
triggers for me seem to be the fact that i apparently value my bankroll money much, much more and in more ways than my rational conscious seems to believe. so apparently the subconscious shock of a loss seems to sort of sneak up and take control, sorta thing.
couple that with having led a really, really lucky life, hence a over valued sense of luck and one has a recipe for disaster.
whatever, steaming and our predilection towards it is something it would be wise to get a handle on.
 
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